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  • SeattleUte
    Faith crisis consultant
    • Nov 2008
    • 20837

    #46
    The pandemic forced schools into a crash course in online education. Problems piled up, including lack of access to technology and trouble keeping students and teachers connected.


    Remote school failed. But the young have been little more than an afterthought, it seems.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    • Walter Sobchak
      Adventurer
      • Oct 2009
      • 3815

      #47
      Remote school is a joke. Everyone knows this, it seems, except for state-level administrators.

      My wife and I had a serious discussion last night about what it would take to enroll our kids in AZ public schools (with their cousins) in August. We spent much of May down in AZ eating-out dining-in and going about our life in a somewhat normal manner. The place is a revelation compared to WA.
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      • BigPiney
        Huge Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 12365

        #48
        Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
        Remote school is a joke. Everyone knows this, it seems, except for state-level administrators.

        My wife and I had a serious discussion last night about what it would take to enroll our kids in AZ public schools (with their cousins) in August. We spent much of May down in AZ eating-out dining-in and going about our life in a somewhat normal manner. The place is a revelation compared to WA.
        Here in the Nevada part of California, they are going to be in school in the fall, but they are trying to space everyone out. Not sure how it will work, but at my youngest daughter's school where my wife works has small class sizes anyway.

        Not sure how it will work for the older kids.

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        • Northwestcoug
          Cocked and Loaded
          • May 2011
          • 18021

          #49
          Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
          Remote school is a joke. Everyone knows this, it seems, except for state-level administrators.

          My wife and I had a serious discussion last night about what it would take to enroll our kids in AZ public schools (with their cousins) in August. We spent much of Maydown in AZ eating-out dining-in and going about our life in a somewhat normal manner. The place is a revelation compared to WA.
          This post would not exist had Walter been visiting his AZ family in August.
          "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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          • Joe Public
            8.1 YPC
            • Apr 2011
            • 8524

            #50
            Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
            Remote school is a joke. Everyone knows this, it seems, except for state-level administrators.

            My wife and I had a serious discussion last night about what it would take to enroll our kids in AZ public schools (with their cousins) in August. We spent much of May down in AZ eating-out dining-in and going about our life in a somewhat normal manner. The place is a revelation compared to WA.
            I mentioned to my wife the other night that we should consider a one-year assignment out of state to have an adventure and get away from whatever insufficient arrangement our school district eventually rolls out. Our children just got their belongings back last week. A teacher friend told my wife the union had teachers slow play and dispute a lot of things for negotiation purposes.

            Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
            This post would not exist had Walter been visiting his AZ family in August.
            Hah. My niece chose to get married at the Gilbert temple last August. They should have just lived in sin - hell can’t be any hotter than Phoenix in the summer.
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            • SeattleUte
              Faith crisis consultant
              • Nov 2008
              • 20837

              #51
              Dan Crenshaw and Dr. Atlas on the reckless, unscientific, groupthink-driven lockdown, and the awful damage and destruction it has done to society, especially the young (all totally predictable). Also, the irresponsible, sensationalist media.

              They don't mince words. They call it disgraceful. Even formerly distinguished scientific journals New England Journal of Medicine, Nature and Lancet have been disgraced. Because politics now contaminates science. Also, Cuomo is "criminally negligent."

              Excellent podcast. Excellent summary.

              Last edited by SeattleUte; 06-14-2020, 09:55 PM.
              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

              --Jonathan Swift

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              • SeattleUte
                Faith crisis consultant
                • Nov 2008
                • 20837

                #52
                Dan Crenshaw and Dr. Atlas on the reckless, unscientific, groupthink-driven lockdown, and the awful damage and destruction it has done to society, especially the young (all totally predictable). Also, the irresponsible, sensationalist media.

                They don't mince words. They call it disgraceful. Even formerly distinguished scientific journals New England Journal of Medicine, Nature and Lancet have been disgraced.

                Excellent podcast. Excellent summary.

                When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                --Jonathan Swift

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                • myboynoah
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 21719

                  #53
                  Ripple effects of downturn show pandemic’s early economic toll was just the beginning

                  Howmet is a major engine of the local economy in Whitehall, supporting eateries like Pekadill’s, car dealers, hotels, and a number of tool and die shops.

                  Howmet employees are regular customers at Pekadill’s, sitting at the wooden booths inside the building that dates to 1873 or in the well-tended garden out back. The company also was a steady source of catering orders for sales meetings and special functions, which sometimes meant more than 1,000 lunch orders.

                  For Dillivan, the first domino tumbled at the end of January when United Airlines announced it was halting flights from the United States to China, after the coronavirus caused demand for tickets to evaporate.

                  The next domino fell within weeks, as United — its revenue cratering — deferred orders for dozens of new Boeing aircrafts and said it would be in no rush to buy the additional planes it once planned. Fewer new aircraft means fewer new jet engines, including those containing turbine frames and airfoils manufactured by Howmet.

                  That sent the final domino crashing into Whitehall — and Pekadill’s — when Howmet this month announced its layoffs.

                  In a June 1 letter to the city, Amy Heisser, Howmet’s human resources director, blamed “business circumstances the company could not reasonably foresee in the form of a sudden and recent reduction in customer orders related to the Covid-19 pandemic.”

                  Indeed, Howmet has experienced an abrupt reversal in fortune since late February when it told investors it would benefit from steady growth in air travel over the coming decade. Airlines would add 17,000 new jets, driving demand for the company’s engine parts and spares, company officials said in a February 25 briefing.

                  Instead, in a matter of weeks, air travel collapsed as the pandemic spread from China to Europe, the Middle East and finally the United States. Airlines canceled new aircraft orders in droves and parked in the desert thousands of planes they already owned.

                  Major carriers now expect to take delivery of fewer than 1,000 new planes this year, 40 percent fewer than planned, according to the International Air Transport Association, an industry group.
                  Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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                  • SeattleUte
                    Faith crisis consultant
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 20837

                    #54
                    Slowing the Coronavirus Is Speeding the Spread of Other Diseases
                    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/h...e=articleShare
                    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                    --Jonathan Swift

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                    • PaloAltoCougar
                      Semper infra dignitatem
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 16936

                      #55
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      Dan Crenshaw and Dr. Atlas on the reckless, unscientific, groupthink-driven lockdown, and the awful damage and destruction it has done to society, especially the young (all totally predictable). Also, the irresponsible, sensationalist media.

                      They don't mince words. They call it disgraceful. Even formerly distinguished scientific journals New England Journal of Medicine, Nature and Lancet have been disgraced.

                      Excellent podcast. Excellent summary.

                      https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000477947138
                      That was very good. Among the takeaways: K-12 school lockdowns were a big mistake. Covid morbidity is lower than flu morbidity among children. It would make more sense, though still stupid, to close schools every flu season than for COVID. It's very sad that child (and presumably spousal) abuse has spiked much higher during the lockdown as well.

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                      • falafel
                        loves to talk on things
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 37982

                        #56
                        Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                        That was very good. Among the takeaways: K-12 school lockdowns were a big mistake. Covid morbidity is lower than flu morbidity among children. It would make more sense, though still stupid, to close schools every flu season than for COVID. It's very sad that child (and presumably spousal) abuse has spiked much higher during the lockdown as well.
                        Police in my city have said that domestic violence calls definitely increased during quarantine.
                        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                        • Jeff Lebowski
                          Corporate lackey for Jesus
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 69696

                          #57
                          Originally posted by falafel View Post
                          Police in my city have said that domestic violence calls definitely increased during quarantine.
                          Sounds like a good time to defund the police force.
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                          • Color Me Badd Fan
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 12519

                            #58
                            If your state keeps kids out of school in the fall, your state is run by a bunch of gaping assholes.
                            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                            • old_gregg
                              scaly man fish
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 16915

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              Sounds like a good time to defund the police force.
                              or maybe to allocate some of the cost of mraps and neat tacticool swat toys to standardized deescalation training and mandatory sabbaticals.
                              Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                              • Jeff Lebowski
                                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 69696

                                #60
                                Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                                or maybe to allocate some of the cost of mraps and neat tacticool swat toys to standardized deescalation training and mandatory sabbaticals.
                                I am all for that. But I have a hard time believing that this is a significant cost percentage-wise of any current police force. This is why a realistic overhaul would likely lead to increased spending - which is what the more rational voices are proposing. Note that most of the democratic leaders are not jumping on the defund band-wagon. For good reason.
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