At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[Northwestcoug]

This is hubris. Hubris got us into this mess in the first place. It's possible our descendants will see this debacle more as a collective psychosis than a pandemic. Like Byzantium suffered when it went crazy Christian. A sign of our decadence. Ross Douthat published book about our collective mental illness just before the Covid hit.

All we're saying is this has to stop. It can't go on. There are competing values. Duh. What we're doing to the economy is or could soon become an existential crisis. We now know that Covid-19 is not an existential crisis. Yesterday even MBN agreed that any working American has a greater chance of dying in a car accident driving to work than dying of Covid-19. So where is the discussion of competing interests and how and when the economy would be opened?

It's time for someone to show real leadership and give us a specific path out in the FORESEEABLE FUTURE, while articulating what's truly at stake, like Churchill did after Dunkirk. With that, the economy can recover by year's end. Any rational person who knows he's less likely to die of Covid than in a car wreck commuting to work will return to work, and the bars, etc. I will vote for that person whow exercises that leadership. I'm tired of Governor Inslee being called a genius just because he shut everything down in March and murdered the economy. I have seen no real leadership.

You're hilarious. The west coast states have by and large done a solid job managing the pandemic. They are not New York, New Jersey, Florida, or Louisiana, in part due to their leadership. The governors have been pretty consistent with their message. They are closer to statesman-like than any of the governors who've been parroting your 'cure is worse than the disease' message.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I see people at Costco and at my semi-annual trips to Walmart that cause me to marvel at the durability of the human body. Life and death for these people is on a hair trigger.

[Northwestcoug]

that's the opposite of what i was doing, dingleberry. but, an enormous portion of the american population has "a serious life-threatening underlying health problem": 10% of americans have diabetes and 42% are obese, for example.

That's SU for you. He benefits from PNW clean living but wants to be governed more like a southern state.

[SeattleUte]

I see people at Costco and at my semi-annual trips to Walmart that cause me to marvel at the durability of the human body. Life and death for these people is on a hair trigger.

Seems it takes more than what you see at Costco or in your typical roadside Mississippi all you can eat buffet.

[SeattleUte]

This common conception should be updated. Of all known clusters of cases in the US, the top 6 are not associated with nursing homes.

You're really good at going for the capillary.

[SeattleUte]

You're hilarious. The west coast states have by and large done a solid job managing the pandemic. They are not New York, New Jersey, Florida, or Louisiana, in part due to their leadership. The governors have been pretty consistent with their message. They are closer to statesman-like than any of the governors who've been parroting your 'cure is worse than the disease' message.

Circular logic. And Governor Cuomo disagrees that New York has been less effective responding than the West coast. You assume that the West coast is doing better because they did something different. New York locked down very shortly after the west coast. Maybe it's just they're different in the West, including much less mass transit, less density.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Circular logic. And Governor Cuomo disagrees that New York has been less effective responding than the West coast. You assume that the West coast is doing better because they did something different. New York locked down very shortly after the west coast. Maybe it's just they're different in the West, including much less mass transit, less density.

Texas has over 70% of the population of California and has 1/2 the cases. I haven't looked at it much, but I don't believe Texas has been more vigilant that California. California has higher density in LA and SF and more people coming from all over the place, so it's got a bigger hill to climb. But that's kind of the point -- the tri-state area is unique and what's happening there shouldn't shape the policy in places like Texas and Utah.

[Northwestcoug]

Circular logic. And Governor Cuomo disagrees that New York has been less effective responding than the West coast. You assume that the West coast is doing better because they did something different. New York locked down very shortly after the west coast. Maybe it's just they're different in the West, including much less mass transit, less density.

They are doing better in part because of the leadership. If you want another state, then fine, compare them to Florida or Louisiana.

[SeattleUte]

Texas has over 70% of the population of California and has 1/2 the cases. I haven't looked at it much, but I don't believe Texas has been more vigilant that California. California has higher density in LA and SF and more people coming from all over the place, so it's got a bigger hill to climb. But that's kind of the point -- the tri-state area is unique and what's happening there shouldn't shape the policy in places like Texas and Utah.

Exactly. Duh.

[Uncle Ted]

Texas has over 70% of the population of California and has 1/2 the cases. I haven't looked at it much, but I don't believe Texas has been more vigilant that California. California has higher density in LA and SF and more people coming from all over the place, so it's got a bigger hill to climb. But that's kind of the point -- the tri-state area is unique and what's happening there shouldn't shape the policy in places like Texas and Utah.

Depends on the county. For example in Dallas county Clay Jenkins (the county judge or executive for the county) was "dethroned" for being too much of a nazi and closing things down, extending the stay at home order until may 20th, etc:

Dallas County Leaders Vote To Limit Jenkins’ Power, Discuss Temporary Hospital

Dallas County commissioners voted unanimously Tuesday to limit some of the powers of the office of Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins.

Jenkins has become the face of the local COVID-19 response, providing almost daily updates and using executive powers to make sweeping decisions for the county’s response.

Commissioners passed an amendment that requires Jenkins to now notify commissioners before he places any more restrictions on “essential businesses,” giving them time to call a meeting.
[...]

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/opposition-to-dallas-county-disaster-declaration-extension-to-may-20/2345191/

Damn Democrat.

[SeattleUte]

Always surprising when I see someone point to the relatively low death rates we are getting with isolation as proof that isolation was a dumb idea. Not too surprising to see it on FB I guess, but really puzzling to see folks here use that logic.

So what’s your point? Trying to follow your logic here, because apparently you’ve backed off of your original position that the economy counts for nothing, that it’s only the concern of billionaires (as you wrote that from a position of 100% economic security).

Are you still saying this has to go on indefinitely? Until Covid is completely gone? If not, how will what we have to do differ from wha the could have done in the first first place.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The difference of what's happening in New Orleans and Vegas is interesting. I've never been to New Orleans, I don't know the area at all -- but Orleans and Jefferson together are around 850k people and they have over 9,000 cases. Clark county has over 2 million people and 2,000 cases. Bourbon street was still packed all the way through March 14 -- I remember people tweeting pictures of the lunacy from that Saturday night. Maybe I need to check the dates on here, but Vegas shut things down around the middle of that week, so around March 10. New Orleans had Mardi Gras but Vegas has all the conventions that occur around that time of year.

[old_gregg]

So what’s your point? Trying to follow your logic here, because apparently you’ve backed off of your original position that the economy counts for nothing, that it’s only the concern of billionaires (as you wrote that from a position of 100% economic security).

Are you still saying this has to go on indefinitely? Until Covid is completely gone? If not, how will what we have to do differ from wha the could have done in the first first place.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Screw the 'Rona, Salt Lake residents have bigger pathogen fish to fry.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46740106...n-storage-tank

[jay santos]

Always surprising when I see someone point to the relatively low death rates we are getting with isolation as proof that isolation was a dumb idea. Not too surprising to see it on FB I guess, but really puzzling to see folks here use that logic.

I'm pretty good with logic, so let me explain it to you if it's puzzling.

If you wreck the economy over a virus that looks like it's going to kill far less than 100K lives, then it's extremely likely you could have handled the problem without wrecking the economy. So you say well nobody could know, we had to act conservative. OK. Maybe. But now that we're this far into it and the experts are saying we're hitting the peak and have it under control, it's time for people to go back to work and stop with this nonsense like Utah considering a lockdown.