At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[BigFatMeanie]

Just got back from shopping with the Mrs. We went to Walmart, Sam's Club, and Harmons. Which is nothing for the Mrs. The Mrs usually throws in a visit to Costco as well on her shopping days, but I was tired and ready to come home.

Things the stores were out of:
- Potatoes (they had some red potatoes left at Harmons but they were going fast, not sure why people made a run on potatoes)
- Eggs - I'm not sure why eggs were picked clean when every other dairy product was readily available (see below).
- Ground beef
- Chicken of all kinds
- The stuff you would expect: sanitizer, wipes, TP, paper towels, etc. Actually, Walmart had TP but it was a fairly low supply.
- Maple syrup (really people?, did we really need to make a run on syrup?)
- Canned goods. Anything worth eating was gone. If you love, say, canned anchovies then now is your time to shine!
- Salt. Why, people, why?
- Baking stuff like flour, sugar, chocolate chips - except they had a bunch of jacked up gluten free weirdo flour still on the shelves at Harmons.

Things there was plenty of:
- Fresh fruits
- Vegetables/salad/etc., with the exception of potatoes (see above).
- Meats that require some effort to cook such as brisket (going to do my first one on Friday), ribs, pork butts, etc.
- Milk
- Cheese

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Exxon's share price is at 1999 levels.

[Uncle Ted]

Some of the numbers being thrown around are simply too staggering for me to even wrap my brain around. I know there is potential for a lot of sick people and many of those who get sick won't make it. But talking about potentially 500K deaths in the US alone is tough to grasp. And those are viewed as "optimistic" numbers.

Just out of curiosity (maybe this should be a poll) - if ya'll were putting your money on it - would you bet the over or the under as far as deaths in the US as a result of COVID-19 between Jan 1, 2020 and Jan 1, 2021? I'll even throw in an extra six months. Let's say between Jan 1, 2020 and July 1, 2021. More than 500K deaths in the US or fewer? Where's your money going?

I think it will be fewer for that time period. We can beat this with science and engineering!

Keep in mind that 647,457 people in the US died from heart disease and 599,108 from cancer in 2017: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm Also, there were an estimated 770,000 people that died from HIV globally in 2018: https://www.who.int/gho/hiv/epidemic...eaths_text/en/ I am guessing that COVID-19 will spike the influenza and pneumonia number by about 5x or so.

[old_gregg]

there is a grocery store within five minutes of downtown that is 100% stocked. no poors allowed though.

[Pelado]

Just got back from shopping with the Mrs. We went to Walmart, Sam's Club, and Harmons. Which is nothing for the Mrs. The Mrs usually throws in a visit to Costco as well on her shopping days, but I was tired and ready to come home.

Things the stores were out of:
- Potatoes (they had some red potatoes left at Harmons but they were going fast, not sure why people made a run on potatoes)
- Eggs - I'm not sure why eggs were picked clean when every other dairy product was readily available (see below).
- Ground beef
- Chicken of all kinds
- The stuff you would expect: sanitizer, wipes, TP, paper towels, etc. Actually, Walmart had TP but it was a fairly low supply.
- Maple syrup (really people?, did we really need to make a run on syrup?)
- Canned goods. Anything worth eating was gone. If you love, say, canned anchovies then now is your time to shine!
- Salt. Why, people, why?
- Baking stuff like flour, sugar, chocolate chips - except they had a bunch of jacked up gluten free weirdo flour still on the shelves at Harmons.

Things there was plenty of:
- Fresh fruits
- Vegetables/salad/etc., with the exception of potatoes (see above).
- Meats that require some effort to cook such as brisket (going to do my first one on Friday), ribs, pork butts, etc.
- Milk
- Cheese

A client called me saying that he knows it's serious now since there were no potatoes available at the Fred Meyer's he went to here in Idaho.

My guess is that a lot of the people buying these food staples don't really have any experience cooking with them. So now they'll have a bunch of flour, sugar, rice, pasta, and potatoes just sitting around their pantries collecting dust while they make runs to their preferred drive-through fast-food joint.

[Uncle Ted]

Exxon's share price is at 1999 levels.

Dang... might be a good time to buy. Of course, it is still beating the price of west texas crude (under $30/barrel, wtf!).

I saw on FaceBook that one of my friends was paying $1.79 for a gallon of regular at the pump.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Just got back from shopping with the Mrs. We went to Walmart, Sam's Club, and Harmons. Which is nothing for the Mrs. The Mrs usually throws in a visit to Costco as well on her shopping days, but I was tired and ready to come home.

Things the stores were out of:
- Potatoes (they had some red potatoes left at Harmons but they were going fast, not sure why people made a run on potatoes)
- Eggs - I'm not sure why eggs were picked clean when every other dairy product was readily available (see below).
- Ground beef
- Chicken of all kinds
- The stuff you would expect: sanitizer, wipes, TP, paper towels, etc. Actually, Walmart had TP but it was a fairly low supply.
- Maple syrup (really people?, did we really need to make a run on syrup?)
- Canned goods. Anything worth eating was gone. If you love, say, canned anchovies then now is your time to shine!
- Salt. Why, people, why?
- Baking stuff like flour, sugar, chocolate chips - except they had a bunch of jacked up gluten free weirdo flour still on the shelves at Harmons.

Things there was plenty of:
- Fresh fruits
- Vegetables/salad/etc., with the exception of potatoes (see above).
- Meats that require some effort to cook such as brisket (going to do my first one on Friday), ribs, pork butts, etc.
- Milk
- Cheese

If there's actually TP available at Wal-Mart, it must mean we're turning the corner on the great 2020 TP rush. No sugar, no flour, no dry beans, no rice -- all understandable given the circumstances. But I'm confused why some items that have a fairly long shelf life inside a refrigerator (as long as they remain wrapped up) aren't being grabbed, ham, frozen vegetables, cheese etc.

[Eddie]

If there's actually TP available at Wal-Mart, it must mean we're turning the corner on the great 2020 TP rush. No sugar, no flour, no dry beans, no rice -- all understandable given the circumstances. But I'm confused why some items that have a fairly long shelf life inside a refrigerator (as long as they remain wrapped up) aren't being grabbed, ham, frozen vegetables, cheese etc.

When I went to Smiths on Friday night, all of the frozen veggies except lima beans were gone. But who buys frozen lima beans? seriously?

They were out of all the other stuff that other stores have been out of too.

I hit another local store Saturday morning (Dick's Market) and they had potatoes, eggs, etc. Still no paper products, flour, or sugar.

It's downright crazy how crazy people have been related to what people think they need to buy to get through this corona thing.

[wapiti]

Some of the numbers being thrown around are simply too staggering for me to even wrap my brain around. I know there is potential for a lot of sick people and many of those who get sick won't make it. But talking about potentially 500K deaths in the US alone is tough to grasp. And those are viewed as "optimistic" numbers.

Just out of curiosity (maybe this should be a poll) - if ya'll were putting your money on it - would you bet the over or the under as far as deaths in the US as a result of COVID-19 between Jan 1, 2020 and Jan 1, 2021? I'll even throw in an extra six months. Let's say between Jan 1, 2020 and July 1, 2021. More than 500K deaths in the US or fewer? Where's your money going?

I'll take the under. In fact, I would take the under if the O/U were 100K.

How's this for an optimistic non-doomsday scenario? Washington state had its first death 16 days ago. It's up to 48, but 29 of them were from a single nursing home facility. So set that the "extraordiary event" aside and that's 19 deaths in the "hot spot" in the last 16 days. Let's round to 20 and triple that in the next 16 days. Then triple again in the next 16. That puts Washington at 320 or so by April 20. By the beginning of May that will put Washington between 500-700 deaths. And by May the warmer weather conditions should naturally slow the spread. The state of Washington, which was the earliest to be hit, tops out at around 1000, no more than 1500.

New York and CA may end up with more simply due to population. New York has more cases than Washington now, but fewer deaths even when accounting for the nursing facility. Southern states will stay fairly low due to warming weather. The US Total for this season will be somewhere between 10K-20K. By fall they'll have good treatments available and we are all practicing good hygiene. The number of deaths next season are much lower.

I think the above scenario is much more likely than the exponential growth for several months scenario.

[PaloAltoCougar]

My FB Friends group is almost disappointingly reasonable without political extremes, save a guy from my former stake whom I've never met but whose friends request I accepted because he was already friends with others I trust. He provides an enjoyable, though at times disturbing, view into a segment of the Trump base. One of his many meme posts today:

[old_gregg]

My FB Friends group is almost disappointingly reasonable without political extremes, save a guy from my former stake whom I've never met but whose friends request I accepted because he was already friends with others I trust. He provides an enjoyable, though at times disturbing, view into a segment of the Trump base. One of his many meme posts today:

hope the cameras are rolling when that presumably fat old dipshit dies of a heart attack wearing a fanny pack and 5.11 tactical cargo pants while hassling an indian teenager.

[CJF]

When I went to Smiths on Friday night, all of the frozen veggies except lima beans were gone. But who buys frozen lima beans? seriously?

They were out of all the other stuff that other stores have been out of too.

I hit another local store Saturday morning (Dick's Market) and they had potatoes, eggs, etc. Still no paper products, flour, or sugar.

It's downright crazy how crazy people have been related to what people think they need to buy to get through this corona thing.

How have I missed you’re a Davis County guy?

[Flystripper]

My daughter just found out that the Arcadia Invitational has been cancelled for this year. She is crushed. I am starting to feat that we won't see any more track meets this year.

My son is contemplating running USATF and jr Olympics unattached this summer to at least get some payoff for his training.

It seems like the best we can hope for is that by the time CIF starts in May this might be able to be resumed. Maybe no meets just league finals and CIF, masters and state in May/June.


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[Eddie]

How have I missed you’re a Davis County guy?

No idea - but I am a Davis County guy!!!

[The_Tick]

My son is contemplating running USATF and jr Olympics unattached this summer to at least get some payoff for his training.

It seems like the best we can hope for is that by the time CIF starts in May this might be able to be resumed. Maybe no meets just league finals and CIF, masters and state in May/June.


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Good luck with that. I am betting we are done with school for the year.