At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[tooblue]

That joke works better when the son is a computer science major (which is how I've always heard it).

I have a son who graduated last year in bio-medical engineering and another currently studying mechanical engineering at BYU. The joke is funny because it is true, but perhaps more so of computer science majors?

[Jeff Lebowski]

I have a son who graduated last year in bio-medical engineering and another currently studying mechanical engineering at BYU. The joke is funny because it is true, but perhaps more so of computer science majors?

He really did buy a dozen cartons of buttermilk?

[CardiacCoug]

I mean because Anderson Cooper is a nut job.

Yup I loved her answer: If I owned a hotel it would be perfectly clean and socially distanced and everybody would feel safe!

Liberals assume that everybody agrees that the nanny state must protect citizens from themselves at all times. Nice to see her challenge that assumption.

[Art Vandelay]

It wouldn’t of been the right place on national TV. But it would’ve been very difficult for me not to ask Anderson how Covid has affected him financially. If he has any concerns about losing his job, or taking care of the people who work for him. A


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[Moliere]

That probably puts the Santa Clara serologic data in a worse light. If it's been around longer than expected, the ~10% seropositive rate from that study doesn't look as good when the first case was thought to be 3 weeks later.

I don't agree. That would show two things, that it is less contagious than people are expecting (or freaking out about) and also that a 5-10% infection rate is good. As the infection rate increases, the amount of currently sick people declines until you reach herd immunity. If they reached 10% infection without any strain on the hospital system, that's very good.

[Moliere]

She may be a nutjob, but not because she wants business to resume. Also, she has not been advocating for casinos to "completely open up" assuming that means to operate as they did before. There is a 27 page proposal from MGM which has been adopted by pretty much all casino owners. It lays out how casinos are going to operate as we come out of the COVID lockdown, and it is far from "completely open[ing] up". It is the model being applied in Macao and which would be applied here in Las Vegas. Why didn't Anderson Cooper have questions on that? But all of the virtue signalers out there are going to jump on some sound bytes and the words Anderson Cooper put in her mouth and claim she and anyone who wants to take measures to open things back up are nutjobs.

I'm no fan of Mayor Goodman. But she is advocating for a responsible reopening, and there is nothing crazy about that. We have flattened the curve. The measures being implemented have helped, and there is a smart way to implement those same measures across most all industries while operating their businesses. As I have said many times on here already, there is a lot of room between shelter in place and completely reopen.

Apparently you didn't watch the clip. She wants people to come to Vegas and crowd around the games/slots, infect other people, and take it to their home state/country so it can spread..all because she wants to kill people.

[myboynoah]

She may be a nutjob, but not because she wants business to resume. Also, she has not been advocating for casinos to "completely open up" assuming that means to operate as they did before. There is a 27 page proposal from MGM which has been adopted by pretty much all casino owners. It lays out how casinos are going to operate as we come out of the COVID lockdown, and it is far from "completely open[ing] up". It is the model being applied in Macao and which would be applied here in Las Vegas. Why didn't Anderson Cooper have questions on that? But all of the virtue signalers out there are going to jump on some sound bytes and the words Anderson Cooper put in her mouth and claim she and anyone who wants to take measures to open things back up are nutjobs.

I'm no fan of Mayor Goodman. But she is advocating for a responsible reopening, and there is nothing crazy about that. We have flattened the curve. The measures being implemented have helped, and there is a smart way to implement those same measures across most all industries while operating their businesses. As I have said many times on here already, there is a lot of room between shelter in place and completely reopen.

I agree fully.

She is not very good at communicating that plan if she does indeed have a plan.

She cited Las Vegas having survived "West Nile and SARS, bird flu, E. coli, swine flu, the Zika virus" as a reason that the city is ready to open in the face of COVID-19. She advocated letting the market decide which businesses should shut down if they prove to be spreading the virus. She called Cooper an alarmist for suggesting that the virus would spread quickly among people packed in casinos, and they would in turn take that virus back to their home states. She offered up Las Vegas as "the placebo" in a study on opening up on social distancing, acknowledging that the placebo "get's the short end of the stick" in such studies. She's a nutjob.

As I see it, the people pushing the hardest on opening up the economy, that it's only the flu, that this social distancing is going to destroy us all, generally come across as nutjobs (many of them on FOX).

The herd immunity open-up-society-and-the-economy-now crowd needs to get better spokespeople.

[tooblue]

He really did buy a dozen cartons of buttermilk?

True because I can imagine the scenario actually happening.

My sixteen year old also wants to study engineering like his two older brothers. Today, a young women in the Ward had a birthday. A drive-by celebration was planned. My wife told my son to "make a card for her." He went to the secretary where we have a cash of store bought cards and he grabbed one.

My wife explained: "No, I want you to make a card from scratch." He stood there and stared at her. She then explained in detail that we are going to:

• Drive to their house
• Stop the car in front of the house
• You will hold up the card, and yell happy birthday and I will honk the horn
• The card has to big enough for her to see because she will be standing at a distance on her porch

He still hesitated, so she explained:

• Go into Dad's studio
• On a specific shelf you will find drawing board
• In a specific drawer you will find markers
• On the board write Happy birthday and colour in your lettering

This same boy got a 98 in Calculus last semester, and currently before social distancing has a mark of 100 in his computer science class. He plays the french horn in a regional youth orchestra that you have to try-out for. He is a great kid, kind and conscientious. So are his two older brothers. They just think like engineers (or computer science majors).

My oldest son is an artist and designer following in his fathers footsteps—thank goodness. My youngest boy is more like the oldest, but a lot like the other three. He helped make the card, but knew exactly what my wife was asking without the list of instructions.

[Art Vandelay]

Our local commissioners declared our county “open for business” effectively immediately. The governor responded with STHU and get back inside.

Who ultimately decides who controls a municipality? If Trump declared all stay at home orders null and void, but the governors wanted to stay closed, with local mayors wanting to reopen. Who has jurisdiction?

My states versus federal rights understanding is limited to seeing in a HS US gov class. But since Dottie H in her painted-on 501s sat just in front of me I was occasionally distracted.


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[Jeff Lebowski]

True because I can imagine the scenario actually happening.

My sixteen year old also wants to study engineering like his two older brothers. Today, a young women in the Ward had a birthday. A drive-by celebration was planned. My wife told my son to "make a card for her." He went to the secretary where we have a cash of store bought cards and he grabbed one.

My wife explained: "No, I want you to make a card from scratch." He stood there and stared at her. She then explained in detail that we are going to:

• Drive to their house
• Stop the car in front of the house
• You will hold up the card, and yell happy birthday and I will honk the horn
• The card has to big enough for her to see because she will be standing at a distance on her porch

He still hesitated, so she explained:

• Go into Dad's studio
• On a specific shelf you will find drawing board
• In a specific drawer you will find markers
• On the board write Happy birthday and colour in your lettering

This same boy got a 98 in Calculus last semester, and currently before social distancing has a mark of 100 in his computer science class. He plays the french horn in a regional youth orchestra that you have to try-out for. He is a great kid, kind and conscientious. So are his two older brothers. They just think like engineers (or computer science majors).

My oldest son is an artist and designer following in his fathers footsteps—thank goodness. My youngest boy is more like the oldest, but a lot like the other three. He helped make the card, but knew exactly what my wife was asking without the list of instructions.

Sounds like you have great kids.

What is the biomedical engineering kid doing now? Graduated I assume?

[Northwestcoug]

I agree fully.

She is not very good at communicating that plan if she does indeed have a plan.

She cited Las Vegas having survived "West Nile and SARS, bird flu, E. coli, swine flu, the Zika virus" as a reason that the city is ready to open in the face of COVID-19. She advocated letting the market decide which businesses should shut down if they prove to be spreading the virus. She called Cooper an alarmist for suggesting that the virus would spread quickly among people packed in casinos, and they would in turn take that virus back to their home states. She offered up Las Vegas as "the placebo" in a study on opening up on social distancing, acknowledging that the placebo "get's the short of the stick" in such studies. She's a nutjob.

As I see it, the people pushing the hardest on opening up the economy, that it's only the flu, that this social distancing is going to destroy us all, generally come across as nutjobs (many of them on FOX).

The herd immunity open-up-society-and-the-economy-now crowd needs to get better spokespeople.

Yes. Her position is understandable. But she proudly said all the quiet parts out loud.

Anderson Cooper is the nut job here?!?

[tooblue]

Sounds like you have great kids.

What is the biomedical engineering kid doing now? Graduated I assume?

Looking for work. There isn't a great deal of bio-med R&D here, so it's a tough go. He is now enrolled in computer programming at my college (free tuition) to boost his programming skills. His Python skills are pretty impressive IMO, to which he will be adding Javascript (react.js) SQL, php etc.

[myboynoah]

Yes. Her position is understandable. But she proudly said all the quiet parts out loud.

Anderson Cooper is the nut job here?!?

[myboynoah]

This is sad.

In New York’s largest hospital system, 88 percent of coronavirus patients on ventilators didn’t make it

Researchers found that 20 percent of all those hospitalized died — a finding that’s similar to the percentage who perish in normal times among those who are admitted for respiratory distress.

But the numbers diverge more for the critically ill put on ventilators. Eighty-eight percent of the 320 covid-19 patients on ventilators who were tracked in the study died. That compares with the roughly 80 percent of patients who died on ventilators before the pandemic, according to previous studies — and with the roughly 50 percent death rate some critical care doctors had optimistically hoped when the first cases were diagnosed.

“For those who have a severe enough course to require hospitalization through the emergency department it is a sad number,” said Karina W. Davidson, the study’s lead author and a professor at the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell.

This is why testing is not a sideshow. Liberal testing and contact tracing is needed for a number of reasons. In this case, it will allow those infected to be monitored and treated before they reach "a severe enough course to require hospitalization through the emergency department."

Korea is the best in the world at this.

[myboynoah]

States rushing to reopen are likely making a deadly error, coronavirus models and experts warn

By the end of the week, residents in Georgia will be able to get their hair permed and nails done. By Monday, they will be cleared for action flicks at the cineplex and burgers at their favorite greasy spoon.

And it will almost certainly lead to more novel coronavirus infections and deaths.

As several states — including South Carolina, Tennessee and Florida — rush to reopen businesses, the sudden relaxation of restrictions will supply new targets for the coronavirus that has kept the United States largely closed down, according to experts, math models and the basic rules that govern infectious diseases.

“The math is unfortunately pretty simple. It’s not a matter of whether infections will increase but by how much,” said Jeffrey Shaman, a leading epidemiologist at Columbia University.

. . . . . . . . .

“As a country, we’re unprepared not just logistically but mentally for this next phase,” said Michael T. Osterholm, a University of Minnesota infectious-disease expert. He worries most Americans do not grasp the long, hard months facing them and the likelihood of repeated surges of the virus.

“For a while, people were told all we need is to get past the peak. Then, they started hearing all we need is testing. Meanwhile, the president keeps telling everyone that things are going to reopen in a matter of weeks,” Osterholm said. “The way you prepare people for a sprint and marathon are very different. As a country, we are utterly unprepared for the marathon ahead.”