Violence by White Supremicists on the rise

[YOhio]

The MI plot having feds being mixed in with isn't exactly reassuring.

There have a lot of lone wolf mass shooter attacks at gay clubs, synagogues etc. There have instances on individuals going on rampages driving through cities just looking for minorities to shoot.

There is history beyond OKC. Eric Rudolph, the Atlanta Olympic park bomber was a facists. He bombed abortion clinics but also lesbian night clubs. Randy Weaver, who tried to resist the feds, another white nationalist.

And if the threat as framed as far right (which is nearly always racist or racist tolerant) rather than just white nationalist it might make more sense

J6 was very much one of those instances. Charlottesville was a disgusting historical moment for the wrong reasons as it has to increased inter-organization from groups that used to maintain distance and skepticism from one another.

The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are organized connected and experienced groups. Even though the Proud Boys have a Latina leader, they are white nationalist.



This might be too much of a "John Wick," post but I'd encourage you to read the links.

Here is an interesting brief from a centrist think tank. It dates back to 2020. It does dismiss other threats but prioritizes them. They aren't the UC Berkeley Peace and Justice Club.



The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen over the next year. Based on a CSIS data set of terrorist incidents, the most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda could present a potential threat as well. Over the rest of 2020, the terrorist threat in the United States will likely rise based on several factors, including the November 2020 presidential election.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states


This is from the Council on Foreign Relations, but it discusses the threat to law enforcement posed by the fight. It's an interesting juxtaposition to very vocal pro police posturing we see. And also I didn't realize that a lot of cops on J6 took their own lives. That's heartbreaking.


Analysis of rising domestic far-right terrorism typically focuses on the threat it poses to minority communities, the political left, and liberal democracy. Not much attention has been given to the danger it poses to the broader American right and institutions typically cherished by conservatives. In this three-part series, CFR research fellow Jacob Ware assesses the violent far-right and white supremacist terrorist threat to these entities, including the Republican Party, the United States military, and American law enforcement. The first post can be accessed here.

Just days into 2021, the narrative was flipped on its head. A U.S. Capitol Police officer died due to a stroke after the siege on the Capitol on January 6, after being sprayed with a chemical agent and later collapsing. Several committed suicide in the days and weeks that followed. More than one hundred officers were wounded. The violence against police officers that day was not collateral damage in a bigger plot; for some, the police were legitimate targets, complicit in the apparent election thievery that inspired the rioters. “Cops don’t have ‘standing’ if they are laying on the ground in a pool of their own blood,” one post on TheDonald.win forum had warned. The heightened tensions were felt beyond the nation’s capital: one Idaho-based police trainer, a former Oath Keeper, called for the execution of government employees disloyal to former President Donald Trump, also declaring, “We are on the brink of civil war.”

https://www.cfr.org/blog/violent-far...aw-enforcement

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I’ll check out those links. I’m definitely open to being incorrect here. I hope you took the John Wick comment as my way of complimenting you. I do appreciate your viewpoint and you do a great job of engaging with disagreement.

[frank ryan]

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I’ll check out those links. I’m definitely open to being incorrect here. I hope you took the John Wick comment as my way of complimenting you. I do appreciate your viewpoint and you do a great job of engaging with disagreement.

I'm just being playful, you are one of my favorite people on here.

[Bo Diddley]

So the riots were directed at illegal immigrant Muslims, because the knifer was said to be one by the right-wing anger-sphere. I guess it was a native born Christian Briton. His parents were Rwandan refugees. The EDL who led the riots absolutely are a hate group. Trump-supporting and Jordan-Peterston platformed sex trafficker Andrew helped spread the bullshit.

Britains are calling Elon Musk out for not doing enough on his platform to stop this nonsense. Instead he says civil war is inevitable. What a loser.

[frank ryan]

So the riots were directed at illegal immigrant Muslims, because the knifer was said to be one by the right-wing anger-sphere. I guess it was a native born Christian Briton. His parents were Rwandan refugees. The EDL who led the riots absolutely are a hate group. Trump-supporting and Jordan-Peterston platformed sex trafficker Andrew Tate helped spread the bullshit.
I don't usually like Pierce Morgan but he does a good job holding this weasel to account.

[frank ryan]

Britains are calling Elon Musk out for not doing enough on his platform to stop this nonsense. Instead he says civil war is inevitable. What a loser.

Elon is in the tank for the far right. Before I get labelled conspiratorial, I think it's pretty obvious. You can look at how he associates with, what accounts he amplifies etc. He posted the fake clip of Harris and didn't say it was fake. He created that phishing site that tricked voters who were from swing states into entering their data thinking they have registered to vote. And of course they absolutely haven't.

Elon also became deferential to Putin after they had their sit-down and seemed to drastically change his tune with regard to Ukraine.

I think he's getting far too enamored with his own ego. I expect more twitter/x fuckery as we get closer to the election and some of will likely be pretty egregious.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Elon is in the tank for the far right. Before I get labelled conspiratorial, I think it's pretty obvious. You can look at how he associates with, what accounts he amplifies etc. He posted the fake clip of Harris and didn't say it was fake. He created that phishing site that tricked voters who were from swing states into entering their data thinking they have registered to vote. And of course they absolutely haven't.

Elon also became deferential to Putin after they had their sit-down and seemed to drastically change his tune with regard to Ukraine.

I think he's getting far too enamored with his own ego. I expect more twitter/x fuckery as we get closer to the election and some of will likely be pretty egregious.

Lol. This isn’t any kind of revelation. Of course he is.

[frank ryan]

Facists in East German states, coming in first in one of them. First time this happened since the Nazis in WW2. France survived the National Front gaining control of the government. These victories are not good for the Transatlantic alliance


"Alternative for Germany, or AfD, became the first far-right party to win a state election in post-World War II Germany in Thuringia on Sunday under one of its hardest-right figures, Björn Höcke. In neighboring Saxony, it finished only just behind the mainstream center-right Christian Democratic Union, which leads the national opposition. Voters punished the three parties in Scholz’s governing coalition, which took well under 15% of the vote between them.

Deep discontent with a national government notorious for infighting, inflation and a weak economy, anti-immigration sentiment and skepticism toward German military aid for Ukraine are among the factors that contributed to support for populist parties in the formerly communist east, which is less prosperous than western Germany. A new party founded by a prominent leftist was the second big winner on Sunday — and will probably be needed to form state governments since no one is prepared to govern with AfD."


https://apnews.com/article/germany-e...a55f5fd0e2e211

[frank ryan]

So the Wisconsin school shooter was publicly racist to the point that TikTok deleted her account.

It is unusual for a girl to do perpetrate a mass killing but she fit the pattern of obsessing about this type of violence.

A lot of intentioned and planned violence like this is usually accompanied by fixating and fantasizing about the event. It's almost like self-hypnosis.

I don't think we have the societal will to change the culture or laws in any meaningful way.

Libsoftiktok (no one should take what they spew as factual) and others immediately took to twitter to assert she was trans.

They are only interested in making trans individuals the root of all evil.

[frank ryan]

This could go in a few threads but the US state department has identified riots in Ireland as a result of intentional influence and misinformation from Fascists.




THE US GOVERNMENT has branded rioting which broke out on the streets of Dublin in 2023 as “white identity terrorism”.

In a new report released by the US Department of State, the violence was blamed on “Irish white supremacists and ultranationalists” spreading “anti-immigrant” disinformation online.

The annual Country Reports on Terrorism, which monitors terror attacks around the world, listed Ireland as one of six countries impacted by “White Identity Terrorism” (WIT) or “Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremism” (REMVE).

It said the attacks, fuelled by the exploitation of social media platforms by anonymous individuals and online communities, constituted a “growing and transnational threat to the United States and our allies”.

Those involved are “increasingly adept at exploiting social media platforms, online gaming platforms, gaming-adjacent platforms, smaller websites with targeted audiences, and encrypted chat applications”, according to the report.


This is one reason I'm cautious about getting on any anti-immigrant bandwagon even if there are genuine issues to deal with. Of course efforts to keep an eye on this threat will be scuttled by MAGA.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-rio...89040-Jan2025/

[BlueK]

This could go in a few threads but the US state department has identified riots in Ireland as a result of intentional influence and misinformation from Fascists.




THE US GOVERNMENT has branded rioting which broke out on the streets of Dublin in 2023 as “white identity terrorism”.

In a new report released by the US Department of State, the violence was blamed on “Irish white supremacists and ultranationalists” spreading “anti-immigrant” disinformation online.

The annual Country Reports on Terrorism, which monitors terror attacks around the world, listed Ireland as one of six countries impacted by “White Identity Terrorism” (WIT) or “Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremism” (REMVE).

It said the attacks, fuelled by the exploitation of social media platforms by anonymous individuals and online communities, constituted a “growing and transnational threat to the United States and our allies”.

Those involved are “increasingly adept at exploiting social media platforms, online gaming platforms, gaming-adjacent platforms, smaller websites with targeted audiences, and encrypted chat applications”, according to the report.


This is one reason I'm cautious about getting on any anti-immigrant bandwagon even if there are genuine issues to deal with. Of course efforts to keep an eye on this threat will be scuttled by MAGA.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-rio...89040-Jan2025/

Oh, what's to worry? My maga brother in law informs me grocery prices will come back down to where they used to be within a few months. What else really matters?

[YOhio]

Oh, what's to worry? My maga brother in law informs me grocery prices will come back down to where they used to be within a few months. What else really matters?

After skimming that report I feel pretty comfortable in not worrying about white-identity terrorism.

[frank ryan]

After skimming that report I feel pretty comfortable in not worrying about white-identity terrorism.

Why? Law enforcement and intel has consistently identified it as a threat and they have been involved in harmful events including J6.

I'm not being snarky when I say I'm open to being reassured

[YOhio]

Why? Law enforcement and intel has consistently identified it as a threat and they have been involved in harmful events including J6.

I'm not being snarky when I say I'm open to being reassured

In the report the State Department referenced a directive in the 2021 NDAA to specifically focus on white-identity terrorism. I think it's safe to assume that without that language it wouldn't have been included in their annual terror report, primarily because the scale is completely incongruous with the rest of the report. They go nation by nation and identify terror attacks that killed thousands of people in 2023. They identify terror networks with ultra-sophisticated abilities. to launder money, move weapons and traffic people. Then they have a section on White Identify Terrorism. In this section they ID'd six incidents in six countries. Of these incidents, only one resulted in casualties and that was a lone gunman mass shooting at a mall in Texas. Awful, but not indicative of a larger movement. In fact, none of the incidents appeared to have ties to larger networks and appear to be isolated incidents.They listed a handful of European Neo-Nazi groups that were subject to some kind of punitive action from their home government, but nothing indicative of an effective terror network with significant reach. If that's all they included in the report after specific directive and funding, then it's a negligible concern relative to everything else in the report.

[frank ryan]

In the report the State Department referenced a directive in the 2021 NDAA to specifically focus on white-identity terrorism. I think it's safe to assume that without that language it wouldn't have been included in their annual terror report, primarily because the scale is completely incongruous with the rest of the report. They go nation by nation and identify terror attacks that killed thousands of people in 2023. They identify terror networks with ultra-sophisticated abilities. to launder money, move weapons and traffic people. Then they have a section on White Identify Terrorism. In this section they ID'd six incidents in six countries. Of these incidents, only one resulted in casualties and that was a lone gunman mass shooting at a mall in Texas. Awful, but not indicative of a larger movement. In fact, none of the incidents appeared to have ties to larger networks and appear to be isolated incidents.They listed a handful of European Neo-Nazi groups that were subject to some kind of punitive action from their home government, but nothing indicative of an effective terror network with significant reach. If that's all they included in the report after specific directive and funding, then it's a negligible concern relative to everything else in the report.

I appreciate your tone

It does look like a bit of an awkward highlight reel, but I (obviously) still think the threat from far right isn't just new but increasing. There have a plenty of other foiled plots and some stochastic terrorism events.

One thing that has been helpful in slowing the growth or organized hate groups was been their hyper-division. This neoconfederate group didn't like associating with this largely prison based violent gang or the Klan felt too rednecky for the psuedoacademic racial-realists. But since Unite the Right in Charlottesville (which some of Trump's circle and import supporters took part in) those wedged continue to recede.

They played a huge role in J6. I look at the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers as white nationalist or very close to it.

One of the highlights in that report pointed Russia's specific involvement, which is something that has been going on for a while, and is proving effective. Another issue that I found sadly compelling was that Ireland was a flashpoint. Ireland has been a fascist resistant outpost in Western Europe. While France and the Netherlands have struggled with people like Le Pen for a while, and the British have had the BNP and UKIP, Ireland hasn't really had a counterpart, so this is sad to see.

[YOhio]

I appreciate your tone

It does look like a bit of an awkward highlight reel, but I (obviously) still think the threat from far right isn't just new but increasing. There have a plenty of other foiled plots and some stochastic terrorism events.

One thing that has been helpful in slowing the growth or organized hate groups was been their hyper-division. This neoconfederate group didn't like associating with this largely prison based violent gang or the Klan felt too rednecky for the psuedoacademic racial-realists. But since Unite the Right in Charlottesville (which some of Trump's circle and import supporters took part in) those wedged continue to recede.

They played a huge role in J6. I look at the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers as white nationalist or very close to it.

One of the highlights in that report pointed Russia's specific involvement, which is something that has been going on for a while, and is proving effective. Another issue that I found sadly compelling was that Ireland was a flashpoint. Ireland has been a fascist resistant outpost in Western Europe. While France and the Netherlands have struggled with people like Le Pen for a while, and the British have had the BNP and UKIP, Ireland hasn't really had a counterpart, so this is sad to see.

I think one of the difficulties I have is with the labeling of these groups. Le Pen is a good example. She's obviously racially insensitive, but I don't think she's advocating for white nationalism or white identified terrorism. She's an opponent of immigration and promoter of French nationalism. I think that's a respectable position for someone to hold, regardless of whether I agree with it.