Violence by White Supremicists on the rise

[Bo Diddley]

I've been watching the riots by the "far right" in the UK. You'll note that the Torries were just recently voted out and Labour took over.

The genesis seems to be a knife attack that killed some young girls and it was rumored the attacker was an immigrant. He wasn't, but the riots have momentum.

I think the US should watch this situation closely. I think something similar could ignite here in the US.

[BigFatMeanie]

Muslims and Pro-Palestinians are also rioting in the UK

[tooblue]

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[Bo Diddley]

Muslims and Pro-Palestinians are also rioting in the UK

I heard something when I was watching a news show yesterday, but didn't pay close enough attention. As I search, all I can find are protests from Muslims and pro Palestinians--not riots. Feel free to link what you're hearing about.

[BigFatMeanie]

I’m not following events on the ground in great detail but this story came across my news feed:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2591789.html

[Bo Diddley]

I’m not following events on the ground in great detail but this story came across my news feed:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2591789.html

Thanks. I think this is what they mentioned on the news yesterday.

By far (right now) the violence in the UK is coming from the far right. But you should expect to see reactionary violence coming from the other side.

Lessons we should tuck away, no doubt.

[myboynoah]

Thanks. I think this is what they mentioned on the news yesterday.

By far (right now) the violence in the UK is coming from the far right. But you should expect to see reactionary violence coming from the other side.

Lessons we should tuck away, no doubt.

Yes, that is what is happening. It is so ugly and a difficult thing from which to come back. Sad days.

[YOhio]

I don't know, fellas. I haven't paid a ton of attention to the UK riots/protests, but it does seem like mass migration presents some significant cultural challenges for which that tiny island isn't well suited. Particularly when, according to Biden's DNI, pro-Palestinian protests to varying degrees have been engineered by Iran/China/Russia. While I'm sure white supremacy and/or far right extremism has added fuel to the fire, it seems unlikely to me that it's all completely organic.

[Bo Diddley]

I don't know, fellas. I haven't paid a ton of attention to the UK riots/protests, but it does seem like mass migration presents some significant cultural challenges for which that tiny island isn't well suited. Particularly when, according to Biden's DNI, pro-Palestinian protests to varying degrees have been engineered by Iran/China/Russia. While I'm sure white supremacy and/or far right extremism has added fuel to the fire, it seems unlikely to me that it's all completely organic.

Agreed. Much of this is a clash of cultures, and much of this is manipulation. But for now, most of the havoc is being wreaked by those from the far right.

It's the clash of cultures in the US that seems to be the cause of violence both from those who identify with the right and the left.

[frank ryan]

I don't know, fellas. I haven't paid a ton of attention to the UK riots/protests, but it does seem like mass migration presents some significant cultural challenges for which that tiny island isn't well suited. Particularly when, according to Biden's DNI, pro-Palestinian protests to varying degrees have been engineered by Iran/China/Russia. While I'm sure white supremacy and/or far right extremism has added fuel to the fire, it seems unlikely to me that it's all completely organic.

White supremacy is there without the other stuff and has been a problem regardless. You don't have to take my word for it. National law enforcement has identified it as the greatest domestic terrorist threat. That goes back to McVeigh and hasn't regressed. You've had J6, the abduction plot against Whitmer in MI and other things.

But you are absolutely correct about Russia encouraging and propping up extremism on both sides. It's part of their intelligence doctrine. They are successful with it.

Biden isn't overly pro Palestinian. That's why Muslim American groups have threaten to boycott him and some staffers have revolted. Kamala is much more so.

[YOhio]

White supremacy is there without the other stuff and has been a problem regardless. You don't have to take my word for it. National law enforcement has identified it as the greatest domestic terrorist threat. That goes back to McVeigh and hasn't regressed. You've had J6, the abduction plot against Whitmer in MI and other things.

I think white supremacy is definitely a problem and I know what national law enforcement has said, but does anyone really believe it's the greatest domestic terrorist threat. McVeigh, sure. That was in 1995. The other two examples you gave weren't about white supremacy. Heck there were more FBI involved in the Whitmer abduction than there were actual bad guys, really messing up the prosecution as it became clear it was primarily orchestrated by the feds.

[Goatnapper'96]

I don't know, fellas. I haven't paid a ton of attention to the UK riots/protests, but it does seem like mass migration presents some significant cultural challenges for which that tiny island isn't well suited. Particularly when, according to Biden's DNI, pro-Palestinian protests to varying degrees have been engineered by Iran/China/Russia. While I'm sure white supremacy and/or far right extremism has added fuel to the fire, it seems unlikely to me that it's all completely organic.

As the resident board expert on the Limeys-having spent 22 months there as an LDS missionary and various visits since then totaling at least 3 weeks, I can offer my insight. Great Britain has always had loads of immigrants. From both the Caribbean as well as India and Pakistan-or other parts of the British Empire/historical Commonwealth countries. From my perspective there was great effort to assimilate into the larger British Culture. The last time I was back on that green Isle we were traveling from our hotel on Trafalgar Square, near the US Embassy, to the White Cliffs of Dover. The route took us through a bunch of working class English neighborhoods around London until we got onto the motorway. I was very surprised by what I saw with the high numbers of Pakastani Muslim Immigrants and how few had changed from their traditional dress. I am not surprised that the working class folks are feeling threatened and thus become susceptible to RW/racist/nationalistic rhetoric It just seems to me that civilization breeds polarization across multiple cleavages.

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[myboynoah]

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[frank ryan]

I think white supremacy is definitely a problem and I know what national law enforcement has said, but does anyone really believe it's the greatest domestic terrorist threat. McVeigh, sure. That was in 1995. The other two examples you gave weren't about white supremacy. Heck there were more FBI involved in the Whitmer abduction than there were actual bad guys, really messing up the prosecution as it became clear it was primarily orchestrated by the feds.

The MI plot having feds being mixed in with isn't exactly reassuring.

There have a lot of lone wolf mass shooter attacks at gay clubs, synagogues etc. There have instances on individuals going on rampages driving through cities just looking for minorities to shoot.

There is history beyond OKC. Eric Rudolph, the Atlanta Olympic park bomber was a facists. He bombed abortion clinics but also lesbian night clubs. Randy Weaver, who tried to resist the feds, another white nationalist.

And if the threat as framed as far right (which is nearly always racist or racist tolerant) rather than just white nationalist it might make more sense

J6 was very much one of those instances. Charlottesville was a disgusting historical moment for the wrong reasons as it has to increased inter-organization from groups that used to maintain distance and skepticism from one another.

The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are organized connected and experienced groups. Even though the Proud Boys have a Latina leader, they are white nationalist.



This might be too much of a "John Wick," post but I'd encourage you to read the links.

Here is an interesting brief from a centrist think tank. It dates back to 2020. It does dismiss other threats but prioritizes them. They aren't the UC Berkeley Peace and Justice Club.



The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen over the next year. Based on a CSIS data set of terrorist incidents, the most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda could present a potential threat as well. Over the rest of 2020, the terrorist threat in the United States will likely rise based on several factors, including the November 2020 presidential election.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states


This is from the Council on Foreign Relations, but it discusses the threat to law enforcement posed by the fight. It's an interesting juxtaposition to very vocal pro police posturing we see. And also I didn't realize that a lot of cops on J6 took their own lives. That's heartbreaking.


Analysis of rising domestic far-right terrorism typically focuses on the threat it poses to minority communities, the political left, and liberal democracy. Not much attention has been given to the danger it poses to the broader American right and institutions typically cherished by conservatives. In this three-part series, CFR research fellow Jacob Ware assesses the violent far-right and white supremacist terrorist threat to these entities, including the Republican Party, the United States military, and American law enforcement. The first post can be accessed here.

Just days into 2021, the narrative was flipped on its head. A U.S. Capitol Police officer died due to a stroke after the siege on the Capitol on January 6, after being sprayed with a chemical agent and later collapsing. Several committed suicide in the days and weeks that followed. More than one hundred officers were wounded. The violence against police officers that day was not collateral damage in a bigger plot; for some, the police were legitimate targets, complicit in the apparent election thievery that inspired the rioters. “Cops don’t have ‘standing’ if they are laying on the ground in a pool of their own blood,” one post on TheDonald.win forum had warned. The heightened tensions were felt beyond the nation’s capital: one Idaho-based police trainer, a former Oath Keeper, called for the execution of government employees disloyal to former President Donald Trump, also declaring, “We are on the brink of civil war.”

https://www.cfr.org/blog/violent-far...aw-enforcement