palin quitting as governor, why?

[Babs]

Please don't. I haven't seen your viewpoint on Palin. I would find that interesting.

JARID!!

[Jarid in Cedar]

JARID!!

Yes mother?

[Jarid in Cedar]

JARID!!

Few here have seen my impish side....

[Babs]

Politically, they are quite different, but she relates to her in many ways.

Palin has a tough time relating to working women because of her not-so-covert use of sexuality during the campaign. It may bring up bad memories of "the skirt" that got a promotion they felt they deserved.

ohmygosh! A guy gets it! This is huge!

This is exactly what it is. Palin is the woman that every woman fears. The one who gets the promotion because she flaunts herself even though she's proven herself completely unqualified for the position. It's terrifying for us. Look at the implications for women. I mean, sure, I'll play the sexbomb librarian online, but do I want to have to lower myself to playing BarbaraGordon to get ahead in the professional world? Not so much.

[wuapinmon]

This is why I sometimes think that the Founding Fathers had something going with limiting voting only to those that held land. I wonder what the country would look like today if that part had stuck.

Hardly anyone would own land.....feudalism, revolution, dictatorship of the proletariat......socialism.

All paths lead there, apparently.

[wuapinmon]

What would you like her to be more moderate about?

Sorry I missed this.....I'm on record repeatedly about thinking she's a fake conservative.....she's a tax-and-spend liberal of the worst kind.

Oil wellhead taxes increased twice in two years under her "rain" of taxes. She claims a balanced budget, because, much like Chavez, she raised taxes on oil to pay for her deficit.

She cost me in the neighborhood of $200 in lost dividends, and I'm still pissed about it. Wellhead taxes were already among the highest in the nation before she raised them, and it was her dog in that fight. I don't think she's too conservative....I think she's too liberal. Even though this board has branded me a liberal, I'm actually a moderate. I want a moderate party, one that sees two sides to an issue and practices a rational principle of alternation with failed programs.

[Babs]

Sorry I missed this.....I'm on record repeatedly about thinking she's a fake conservative.....she's a tax-and-spend liberal of the worst kind.

And this, in a nutshell, is what makes her a political liability. They're trying to pass her off as something she's not. That will work about as well as it did for Romney, I imagine.

[TripletDaddy]

For example, I supported Bob Dole over Bush the Elder in 1998, and one reason was that Dole's father wore overalls to work.

smart move. I can't wait to read more of your political thoughts.

[TripletDaddy]

Joe Six Pack wants Joe Six Pack in the White House, and there's a helluva alotta Joe Six Packs who can vote.

Where are they? Because a helluva alotta Joe Six Packs failed to vote for her and McCain about 9 months ago.

Brand new article about Palin in Vanity Fair. Hardly flattering. In fact, basically roasts her. I wonder if Palin even reads Vanity Fair?

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...ah-palin200908

In the aftermath of the November election, the conventional wisdom among Palin’s supporters in the Republican establishment was that she should go home, keep her head down, show that she could govern effectively, and quietly educate herself about foreign and domestic policy with the help of a cadre of experienced advisers. She has done none of this. Rather, she has pursued an erratic course that, for her, may actually represent the closest thing there is to True North.

The article then goes on to lay out some interesting descriptions of Palin's bizarre and diva0ish behavior, often towards the very people that were trying to help her prepare herself for media or political events.

It is a pretty interesting read.

[Mormon Red Death]

Let me take off my Palin-is-a-disgrace-to-women-and-an-embarrassment-to-the-party hat for a second.

Here's what it boils down to: Yes, TD, it *is* full-blooded outright hatred toward Palin in many cases; and no, LA Ute, it's not unprecedented or in a class by itself. I'm sure you remember the antipathy for Hillary back in 92-96. All through last cycle I saw CGers refer to Hillary in the coarsest of language. I believe "frigid bitch" was a common refrain. So it's pretty hard to argue that what we see with Palin is unique. But Palin's case is new and fresh, and it's on the other side of the fence. The interesting thing is that the two women are very very different in how they approach their professional and personal lives. Yet they illicit the same kind of passionate angst from the public, often couched in the same language.

This is my take:

In our society and especially among women, we have very strong notions of what constitutes femininity and womanhood. These notions run the spectrum from women's primary purpose is as sexual vehicle, to good women stay at home and mind their husbands, to real women have both a career and family, to real womyn would never subject themselves to the institutionalized prostitution known as marriage. Many people -- no matter where on the spectrum they lie -- feel very strongly (whether they would admit it or not) that their interpretation of womanhood is the only right and proper one. That anything else is detrimental to the place of women in society, and by extension an insidious danger to society as a whole.

So when a woman makes headlines by trying to make the big leagues in a man's game, her plays are heavily scrutinized. And no matter what her playbook looks like, she's going to offend an awful lot of people and certainly an awful lot of women.

Palin is an affront to women because her gameplan revolves around her perky charismatic sex appeal; because she's incoherent, underexperienced, and underinformed; because she can't possibly be spending enough time with all those kids; because she pimps out her handicapped son. Hillary is an affront to women because she's not cute enough; because she's elitist and haughty; because she put her career ahead of family; because she stuck with a serial adulterer.

Conservatives need to get over the persecution complex that Palin is being attacked because of her political affiliation. The truth is that Palin is being attacked just like Hillary was, and just like any female political all-star will -- simply because of her gender. Because by making headlines these women implicitly set themselves up as an example to our young women, and no matter what personal and professional decisions these women make, an awful lot of Americans will be terrified by that thought.

your rant comes off more like jealousy than hatred. She isnt "pimping" her down syndrome kid. as for the accusation that she can't possibly spend enough time with her kids is complete crap. Plenty of women work full time jobs and have families. You seem so to speak to "hate her because she's beautiful"

[BoylenOver]

your rant comes off more like jealousy than hatred. She isnt "pimping" her down syndrome kid. as for the accusation that she can't possibly spend enough time with her kids is complete crap. Plenty of women work full time jobs and have families. You seem so to speak to "hate her because she's beautiful"

Surely you recognize the difference between a full-time job and a political career.

Politicians have resources available to them that allows for unconventional ways to spend time together, but it's not like she's working 45 hours a week at the ad agency in downtown Juneau.

[Mormon Red Death]

Surely you recognize the difference between a full-time job and a political career.

Politicians have resources available to them that allows for unconventional ways to spend time together, but it's not like she's working 45 hours a week at the ad agency in downtown Juneau.

she also works from home. Look I don't want to appear like I am supporting Palin. I didn't vote for McCain (I voted Libertarian) last election and I wouldn't vote for Palin if she ran. I just thins bab's reasons for "hating" Palin are irrational.

oh and stop calling me shirley

[Babs]

your rant comes off more like jealousy than hatred. She isnt "pimping" her down syndrome kid. as for the accusation that she can't possibly spend enough time with her kids is complete crap. Plenty of women work full time jobs and have families. You seem so to speak to "hate her because she's beautiful"

Did you read it? No offense, but you missed the entire point of my post. I had no desire to re-delineate my own arguments against Palin, as I did so ad nauseam over on CG. I was trying to provide some insight into the somewhat ironic phenomenon that is the passionate negativity directed toward female politicians. And I do believe there's jealousy there in a lot of cases. If you wish, knowing what you do of me and my family, to believe that is the case with me, that's certainly your prerogative.

(It seems, based on MRD's interpretation, it would be prudent of me to clarify that I also don't believe marriage is institutionalized prostitution.)

[TripletDaddy]

Did you read it? No offense, but you missed the entire point of my post. I had no desire to re-delineate my own arguments against Palin, as I did so ad nauseam over on CG. I was trying to provide some insight into the somewhat ironic phenomenon that is the passionate negativity directed toward female politicians. And I do believe there's jealousy there in a lot of cases. If you wish, knowing what you do of me and my family, to believe that is the case with me, that's certainly your prerogative.

(It seems, based on MRD's interpretation, it would be prudent of me to clarify that I also don't believe marriage is institutionalized prostitution.)

You may want to check out the Vanity Fair article. It is only 6 pages long, but a good read. It corroborates your point about the dichotomy women experience with pols like Palin and Hillary...two sides of the same coin....support them or cannibalize them?

There is one line in there that really cracked me up. I guess she was criticized for appointing several HS friends to prominent local and state positions, even when these people lacked clear qualifications for the job. One in particular.....head of Agriculture or somesuch.....was justified due, in part, to the candidate's "childhood love of cows." It reminded me of "I can see Russia from my house."

[il Padrino Ute]

You may want to check out the Vanity Fair article. It is only 6 pages long, but a good read. It corroborates your point about the dichotomy women experience with pols like Palin and Hillary...two sides of the same coin....support them or cannibalize them?

There is one line in there that really cracked me up. I guess she was criticized for appointing several HS friends to prominent local and state positions, even when these people lacked clear qualifications for the job. One in particular.....head of Agriculture or somesuch.....was justified due, in part, to the candidate's "childhood love of cows." It reminded me of "I can see Russia from my house."

Besides you and Olbermann, who reads Vanity Fair?