Impeaching Trump: Make America Sane Again

[PaloAltoCougar]

For my money, literally and figuratively, the GOP has to vote to convict Trump. Even they acknowledge that what happened at the Capitol was an egregious affront to democracy, but most seem unwilling to hold Trump responsible, which is shameless and despicable. The riot happened only because of Trump. Trump incessantly shouted false claims about the election throughout the weeks leading up to January 6. That morning he instructed the mob to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell." Even mob bosses who put out a hit on their enemies are less explicit when instructing their henchmen to break the law. The riot at the Capitol was a foreseeable consequence of Trump's actions and he must be held accountable.

BTW, I finally reviewed the defense's arguments for why you can't try an ex-President and they're embarrassingly bad, including citing multiple times, incorrectly, a Michigan State Con Law Professor who had stated they were wrong and he believes precisely the opposite of what they're arguing.

If the GOP lets Trump off the hook, I'm ending my 50 years as a registered Republican, as it would mean the party believes more in supporting an amoral demagogue than in the principles the party once stood for.

[Flystripper]

Welcome PAC as one who officially became a Dem in 2008 (thanks prop 8 but voted for Romney) you have been aligned as such for quite some time.


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[USUC]

Welcome PAC as one who officially became a Dem in 2008 (thanks prop 8 but voted for Romney) you have been aligned as such for quite some time.


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There are other options after leaving the GOP than just sighning up as a Dem. I assume most in the GOP weren't Dems to begin with for a reason. I've mostly been a registered independent since 2002. But when I've lived in Utah and feel the need to vote against a nutter in the GOP primary, I'll re-register to participate. Id imagine id do the same if I lived in a Dem state.

[Flystripper]

Not a fan of the third party idea. A third party it is just a vote for the party you don’t want to vote for.


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[USUC]

Not a fan of the third party idea. A third party it is just a vote for the party you don’t want to vote for.


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I know third parties aren't well thought of around these parts, but I've never been a registered member of any of them. But I often vote for the LP. I mostly stay unnaffiliated officially because I don't want any busy bodies looking me up in public records for how i am registered. Screw them. And yes, I've had a co worker look me up and call me a hypocrite because I registered GOP to vote in primary.

[Flystripper]

Fair enough. I don’t really care how people register, but a third party vote is not really helpful and does not ignite change as the one who is casting it believes. Especially when a GOP or Dem voter casts it in protest. It’s not a real protest.


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[frank ryan]

Fair enough. I don’t really care how people register, but a third party vote is not really helpful and does not ignite change as the one who is casting it believes. Especially when a GOP or Dem voter casts it in protest. It’s not a real protest.


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Plus let's be real, Libertarian candidates are usually really weird. I think Superdell was one once.

[Moliere]

Fair enough. I don’t really care how people register, but a third party vote is not really helpful and does not ignite change as the one who is casting it believes. Especially when a GOP or Dem voter casts it in protest. It’s not a real protest.


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I agree that casting a vote for a third party in protest is not a winning strategy. However, I don't have an issue with anyone casting a vote for a third party because they align with your political beliefs while the two major candidates don't align with them. In fact, judging them negatively for voting that way is unhelpful

[beefytee]

I agree that casting a vote for a third party in protest is not a winning strategy. However, I don't have an issue with anyone casting a vote for a third party because they align with your political beliefs while the two major candidates don't align with them. In fact, judging them negatively for voting that way is unhelpful

While I agree that your first sentence statement is technically true, I think it we’ve been over it here that casting “a vote” for anyone isn’t a winning strategy.

Vote for the candidate who appeals to you the most. Who cares what part they are in. Your single vote won’t be the deciding one.


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[Now who’s the dean?]

I agree that casting a vote for a third party in protest is not a winning strategy. However, I don't have an issue with anyone casting a vote for a third party because they align with your political beliefs while the two major candidates don't align with them. In fact, judging them negatively for voting that way is unhelpful

I judge them in the same way I judge someone who didn’t vote, because that’s what happened.

[Non Sequitur]

Fair enough. I don’t really care how people register, but a third party vote is not really helpful and does not ignite change as the one who is casting it believes. Especially when a GOP or Dem voter casts it in protest. It’s not a real protest.


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It's not fair to say that it's not helpful. It's a whole vote that the GOP doesn't get and a vote that I'm sure they wish they had. When enough people who aren't inclined to vote democrat vote independent or libertarian, it poses a problem for the GOP and gives the party a reason to moderate. It's a wake up call to the GOP and half a vote for my side. I'll take it.

[frank ryan]

It's not fair to say that it's not helpful. It's a whole vote that the GOP doesn't get and a vote that I'm sure they wish they had. When enough people who aren't inclined to vote democrat vote independent or libertarian, it poses a problem for the GOP and gives the party a reason to moderate. It's a wake up call to the GOP and half a vote for my side. I'll take it.

It’s not helpful when Greens vote for Jill Stein instead of Hillary. I have some respect for principled 3 party voting. I voted for McMullin, which was partly a strategic move as I wanted Hillary to beat Trump. I’ve voted for 3rd party candidates other times in this current political climate the GOP needs to be opposed until they have more meaningful reform.

[wapiti]

Fair enough. I don’t really care how people register, but a third party vote is not really helpful and does not ignite change as the one who is casting it believes. Especially when a GOP or Dem voter casts it in protest. It’s not a real protest.


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In the grand scheme of an election, no single vote really means anything. Your vote for Biden was no more "helpful" than my vote for Mitt.

[jay santos]

In the video that's circulating, when they rush the capitol building. They get into the room where senators meet. One guy is flipping through a notebook saying "there's got to be something in here we can use agains these mothereffers" or something to that effect. LOL. Was that guy trolling of just low IQ?

[jay santos]

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/house-...EM1bS9OHbwmC98

10:00 mark