President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[frank ryan]

Of course he is. He's a fucking caricature. He released his NFT trading card shits that portray him as Superman-- right out of the Kim Jon Il playbook. And he instills a mistrust of the media so that a 'strongman' can step in and tell everybody the truth. He has such a boner for power and such a contempt and disregard for the rule of law, it's sickening that ANYBODY would be fooled by him. His demise will be a day of celebration in this country.

Mistrust in the "maintstream media" has been one of the biggest chinks in our social cohesion. The criticism wasn't legitimate or nuanced. It became so constant that people only believe Trump and his soulless media puppets. Anything outside their mouths became evil. We lost the ability to form the momentum needed to address existential threats. Trumpism's rise involves a legion of enablers. Shame on all of them.

[Commando]

Mistrust in the "maintstream media" has been one of the biggest chinks in our social cohesion. The criticism wasn't legitimate or nuanced. It became so constant that people only believe Trump and his soulless media puppets. Anything outside their mouths became evil. We lost the ability to form the momentum needed to address existential threats. Trumpism's rise involves a legion of enablers. Shame on all of them.

Trump didn't start it, either. I remember this crap with Palin and Fox News railing on the 'lame stream media.' Makes me livid.

[USUC]

Y'all are deluding yourselves if you don't see legacy media as legitimately lacking credibility. It's garbage. I don't care if MAGA folks also think it's garbage. New media will eventually regain society's trust. But it won't be led by the people coming out of journalism programs.

[Commando]

There's a difference between editorial slant and 'fake news,' wouldn't you say?

[Moliere]

Mistrust in the "maintstream media" has been one of the biggest chinks in our social cohesion. The criticism wasn't legitimate or nuanced. It became so constant that people only believe Trump and his soulless media puppets. Anything outside their mouths became evil. We lost the ability to form the momentum needed to address existential threats. Trumpism's rise involves a legion of enablers. Shame on all of them.

To be fair, Trump just capitalized on the mistrust in the media. That mistrust happened over a long stretch of time and continues to happen today.

[beefytee]

Y'all are deluding yourselves if you don't see legacy media as legitimately lacking credibility. It's garbage. I don't care if MAGA folks also think it's garbage. New media will eventually regain society's trust. But it won't be led by the people coming out of journalism programs.

I’m not that familiar with new media, but doesn’t it have a way to go? At this point how does it navigate expensive, complex investigations? Is there the money and training to do that? I’m guessing right now they handle this in kind of an open source approach where there is lots of collaboration. It will be interesting to see where it ends up.

[frank ryan]

Y'all are deluding yourselves if you don't see legacy media as legitimately lacking credibility. It's garbage. I don't care if MAGA folks also think it's garbage. New media will eventually regain society's trust. But it won't be led by the people coming out of journalism programs.

Most of "New Media" isn't journalism. Journalism was professionalized for the reason. I think the mainstream outlets produced far more accurate and consistent results than its would be successors.
Calling it garbage is a bit extreme in my opinion. "New media" sounds nebulous. But if it refers to what I assume it does; that is now a wild part of the problem and will continue to fuck up our ability to be informed.
The Tim Ballard stuff serve as somewhat of an example. Conservative media, including scuzzy folks like Glenn Beck propped the guy and platformed despite there being plenty of info out there that was alarming.
Evan now, Praeger U and Jordan Peterson continue to put out Tim Ballard clips with zero criticism on site.
I think the entrenched mantas of the "liberal media;" have only served as cover for being protected from sorting through information people don't like. It's part of the MAGA problem whether you recognize it or not. It's a continuation of the persecution complex those folks tend to exhibit. NPR does good news. Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire don't do slanted news - they don't do news. It's propaganda. And yes, similar outlets exist on the left, but they aren't mainstream media.

To make a case about the value of media that would move my view, I'd be curious if someone could find some right wing outlets that covered and shared information that challenged King Trump's lie that he was robbed of his election win.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Trump undermines the media because he hates people telling the truth about him and gutting the media is exactly what dictators do.

[USUC]

To be more accurate, when I say "new media" I mean new media institutions, not the "New Media" of the manosphere or culture warriors. Let's leave aside how the editorial side of legacy media is currently taken with noxious psuedo Frankfurt school philosophical ramblings. The hard news portions of those media focus on issues through the lens of the editorial side. There are good journalists but the news stories are in support of the editorial goals. This means framing the economy in a certain way. This means framing healthcare in a certain way. This means framing crime in a certain way.

This existed before Trump, but the younger journalists coming into the profession are far more activist than the old liberal guard. And if you look at polling on media truat, it isn't just the crazy MAGA folks. Its everybody.

I dont want the media to be more Trumpy. I dont want the media to be Fox News. But i want a healthy institution that isn't actively producing doom porn and actively trying to tilt the scales.

[frank ryan]

Trump undermines the media because he hates people telling the truth about him and gutting the media is exactly what dictators do.

It's straight out of the authoritarian playbook. I remember he was whiny from day 1 when he forced Sean Spicer to lie about the audience size at his inauguration. It has been a scarily effective tactic.

Luggenpresse

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[frank ryan]

To be more accurate, when I say "new media" I mean new media institutions, not the "New Media" of the manosphere or culture warriors. Let's leave aside how the editorial side of legacy media is currently taken with noxious psuedo Frankfurt school philosophical ramblings. The hard news portions of those media focus on issues through the lens of the editorial side. There are good journalists but the news stories are in support of the editorial goals. This means framing the economy in a certain way. This means framing healthcare in a certain way. This means framing crime in a certain way.

This existed before Trump, but the younger journalists coming into the profession are far more activist than the old liberal guard. And if you look at polling on media truat, it isn't just the crazy MAGA folks. Its everybody.

I dont want the media to be more Trumpy. I dont want the media to be Fox News. But i want a healthy institution that isn't actively producing doom porn and actively trying to tilt the scales.

I enjoy your thoughts, but you way off with this. The legacy media is not wildly leftist, traditional journalists trend more liberal but leftist is a loaded and weaponized term. The big time shot callers are not crypto commies; they are capitalists.
I don't think the current media has anything to do The Frankfurt school. That cultural Marxism is stuff comes right out Pat Buchanan's ramblings, and alludes to anti-Semitic thinking. My friend that is culture war hogwash.


I really have no idea how you could point to this trend with younger journalists with any credibility.

[Northwestcoug]

The question of legitimacy in media can really be understood better by asking the question, 'which side gets it right most of the time?'. It's not the various right-wing outlets. That doesn't mean traditional media companies shouldn't be strutinized continuously. But the raison d'etre of Fox News of a generation ago is just not reality anymore. Right wing media has become the caricature of what they purportedly used to fight.

[Jeff Lebowski]

A vibrant and active media is a keystone of democracy. They have bias? Boohoo. Learn how to filter information.

[USUC]

I enjoy your thoughts, but you way off with this. The legacy media is not wildly leftist, traditional journalists trend more liberal but leftist is a loaded and weaponized term. The big time shot callers are not crypto commies; they are capitalists.
I don't think the current media has anything to do The Frankfurt school. That cultural Marxism is stuff comes right out Pat Buchanan's ramblings, and alludes to anti-Semitic thinking. My friend that is culture war hogwash.


I really have no idea how you could point to this trend with younger journalists with any credibility.

Close to 80% of journalists identifying as either liberal, Democrats, or progressive is not "trending" liberal. It is liberal full stop. You are aware of the battles at the NYT and WP between the younger activist journalists and old liberal journalists? The same young college grads bringing activism into schools, into governemnt agencies, into corporations... they are also in media. I know you think this is all overblown as almost every liberal does. But it is happening to a certain degree all over. And these people are full of the bastatdized theories of the Frankfurt school. They aren't smart enough to be grounded in its philosophical tenants, much like Kendi and DiAngelo aren't smart enough to understand the critical theory they think they espouse. But it's not "just" some antisemitic dog whistle by NatCons. These poisonous beliefs pervade young progressives. Too many liberals bury their heads in the sand about this because they view acknowledging it gives strength to Trump.

[USUC]

A vibrant and active media is a keystone of democracy. They have bias? Boohoo. Learn how to filter information.

And this is happening. A vibrant and active progressive media and a vibrant and active conservative media exists and people filter according to their beliefs. Democracy in action, right?

Non poltical journalism is still good, when politics isn't infused in it. But political journalism should strive to a higher standard.