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  • Northwestcoug
    Cocked and Loaded
    • May 2011
    • 17880
    #811
    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Hot off the press:

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017...=fb-share&_r=0
    Leave it to the Libertarians to call shenanigans on both parties. Nick Gillespie linked this:

    U.S. Forest Service staff are under new orders not to speak to news reporters about politically sensitive issues, according to a directive released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). This gag order resembles those issued by the Bush administration, belying vows by the Obama administration of government transparency.

    In a January 26, 2010 e-mail to employees, Kate Goodrich-Arling, the Public and Legislative Affairs Officer for the Monongahela National Forest, states:


    “Partly due to the increased scrutiny surrounding ARRA [the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act] work and partly due to a relatively new administration, we remain under strict instructions for talking with the media. So, a reminder: If you receive media calls that fall under the following categories you cannot talk to the reporter, but should instead get their contact info and get in touch with me: 1. contacts by a member of the national media on ANY subject 2. contacts by a local or regional reporter seeking information about a national issue including policy and budget issues.”
    http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/obama-gag-order-on-federal-workers-like-those-under-bush.html


    That memo sounded like a PR strategy to make sure the Forest Service spokesperson handled all media requests. Still, it was shady then and it's shady now.
    "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
    "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
    - SeattleUte

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      • Uncle Ted
        The Big 12 money shot.
        • Apr 2010
        • 28853
        #812
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        Hot off the press:

        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017...=fb-share&_r=0
        Good... after what those SoB EPA'ers did in Colorado they all need to be fired.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69398
            #813
            Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
            Good... after what those SoB EPA'ers did in Colorado they all need to be fired.
            And nothing solves those problems like a gag order, right?
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • Uncle Ted
                The Big 12 money shot.
                • Apr 2010
                • 28853
                #814
                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                And nothing solves those problems like a gag order, right?
                There is no such thing as a gag order in the world of wikileaks.
                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • Uncle Ted
                    The Big 12 money shot.
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 28853
                    #815
                    Et tu, Elon?





                    Cool... maybe I can finally get me a Tesla cheap.
                    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • myboynoah
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 21719
                        #816
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Hot off the press:

                        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017...=fb-share&_r=0
                        Do we really think it's crazy for the new people in power to institute control over government operations?
                        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                        Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                          • Topper
                            Pre-Historic Man
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 11764
                            #817
                            People should identify the appointments that they believe are good, middle of the road and horrific. Furthermore, do you believe you'd be happier with the appointments Hillary would have made?

                            I am by no means a Trump fan, far from it as he is uncouth, a bully and his tweeting drives me nuts, but

                            he appears to be cutting government employment
                            making energy an issue
                            making a few good appointments,
                            making some okay appointments
                            and may be making some losers.

                            I am not on board with his immigration policy nor his efforts that might start a trade war, but I am playing the wait and see.

                            I do support beefing up the military

                            I don't know about his proposed Supreme Court potential nominees.

                            I don't like his PR Baghdad Bob approach.

                            I trust Speaker Ryan won't make cutting Planned Parenthood a priority, because the Democratic base does not need to be more energized.

                            Would we be just as pissed off if Hillary were in? Probably so, except perhaps different persons would be pissed off for different reasons. Lots of reasons to be concerned, but are there good signs as well?

                            Eliminating regulations has its appeal.
                            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                              • Topper
                                Pre-Historic Man
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 11764
                                #818
                                Which of these potential nominees is he likely to choose?

                                Thomas Hardiman
                                Diane Sykes
                                Neil Gorsuch
                                or William Pryor?

                                I would oppose Pryor because of his lack of respect for precedent and desire to overturn Roe v. Wade.
                                "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                                Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                                  • Jeff Lebowski
                                    Corporate lackey for Jesus
                                    • Nov 2008
                                    • 69398
                                    #819
                                    Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                                    Do we really think it's crazy for the new people in power to institute control over government operations?
                                    A media blackout/gag order from a president who has a well-documented history of being adversarial towards science? Absolutely I think that's crazy.
                                    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                                    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                                    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                                      • Topper
                                        Pre-Historic Man
                                        • Nov 2011
                                        • 11764
                                        #820
                                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                        A media blackout/gag order from a president who has a well-documented history of being adversarial towards science? Absolutely I think that's crazy.
                                        Agreed. His anti-science bent really concerns me.
                                        "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                                        Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                                          • myboynoah
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Nov 2008
                                            • 21719
                                            #821
                                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                            A media blackout/gag order from a president who has a well-documented history of being adversarial towards science? Absolutely I think that's crazy.
                                            Wow, didn't realize this was a "gag order" on all of science.

                                            Not crazy at all. In fact, very normal. EPA is part of the executive branch and will serve to implement Trump's policies. Frankly, it's only prudent for Executive Branch agencies to refrain from official public communications until their new bosses are in place and can drive the messaging as should be expected. But it is NYT reporting, so the alarmist tint isn't surprising.

                                            As Obama said so often, elections have consequences.

                                            So sad that people didn't Write in Mitt!!!
                                            Last edited by myboynoah; 01-25-2017, 03:05 AM.
                                            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                                              • Moliere
                                                One man.....one pie
                                                • Oct 2009
                                                • 27760
                                                #822
                                                Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                                                Wow, didn't realize this was a "gag order" on all of science.

                                                Not crazy at all. In fact, very normal. EPA is part of the executive branch and will serve to implement Trump's policies. Frankly, it's only prudent for Executive Branch agencies to refrain from official public communications until their new bosses are in place and can drive the messaging as should be expected. But it is NYT reporting, so the alarmist tint isn't surprising.

                                                As Obama said so often, elections have consequences.

                                                So sad that people didn't Write in Mitt!!!
                                                Yep. It's a temporary order that is expected to be lifted by the weekend. Seems pretty benign


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                                                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                                                  • Moliere
                                                    One man.....one pie
                                                    • Oct 2009
                                                    • 27760
                                                    #823
                                                    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us...e-iphone-share

                                                    Now this is dumb and a waste of taxpayer money.


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                                                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                                                      • imanihonjin
                                                        Junior Member
                                                        • Jun 2013
                                                        • 3772
                                                        #824
                                                        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                                                        http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us...e-iphone-share

                                                        Now this is dumb and a waste of taxpayer money.


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                                                        Why? The left claims it doesn't happen and they often cite to the fact that there are very few voter fraud charges that have ever stuck. What is usually ignored is the fact that very few investigations actually occur due to the cost to enforce a single voter fraud action and that actual evidence of voter fraud sufficient to level charges can be difficult to obtain. The left should be all about ensuring voter fraud isn't occurring based on all the whining they have been doing over the last 2 months.

                                                        Stories like this one are extremely concerning:

                                                        Detroit's election woes: 782 more votes than voters
                                                        http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
                                                        A Free Press analysis finds that voting discrepancies in Detroit weren't big enough to swing the outcome in Michigan in the presidential race

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                                                          • BigPiney
                                                            Huge Member
                                                            • Nov 2008
                                                            • 12308
                                                            #825
                                                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                                            A media blackout/gag order from a president who has a well-documented history of being adversarial towards science? Absolutely I think that's crazy.
                                                            NPR was saying this morning that this was SOP. Expect it to be lifted soon, once policies were in place.

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