President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[beefytee]

This whole “who’s to blame for trump” is silly. America is to blame for trump. If you are American, you have trump stink on you. I have trump stink on me. As much as you or I would like to wash our hands off it or never have gotten dirty, we are Americans and stuck with it. All of us here are in that boat.

Well it is us that are responsible for it, but also the Russians!

[dabrockster]

Woke has lost all meaning if waltz is super woke

Yeah.. Cause letting his state go up in flames and defunding police and releasing looters isn’t woke at all.

Stop making this out to be one single person. Their whole agenda and platform was. But you go ahead and pull the one outlier..

[dabrockster]

Well it is us that are responsible for it, but also the Russians!

Good lord..

[Bo Diddley]

This isn’t joint and several liability, folks. So just because the Woke Dems are at least 1% at fault for Trump’s re-election, the percentage of their role in his being re-elected (5%? 10?) is not a significant enough contributing factor to keep bringing it up.

I realize it makes some people feel good to bring that up. Usually, these are lifelong republicans who dislike Trump, and it makes them feel good to blame the party they have disliked for their entire lives for Trump. But that doesn’t make it a rational discussion point. At some point, you have to blame the millions of middle-ground voters who were stupid enough to think that woke issues like transgender sports and public bathrooms were worrisome enough to vote for Trump. While those are valid concerns, the weight and import they carry pales in comparison to the stuff that actually matters—the economy, foreign policy, etc.

Sure, millions are happy about executive orders which put some reins on the trans issues. But that’s low hanging fruit. Trump could issue an executive order that all pedophiles are to be given life in prison without parole, and that would probably be his most popular order. That something is extremely popular doesn’t mean it’s salient or representative of difficult governing. This is putting chocolate milk in the drinking fountains. Everybody loves it. Meanwhile, someone is dumping gasoline around the school and getting ready to light a match. But we got some chocolate milk, so that’s nice.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This isn’t joint and several liability, folks. So just because the Woke Dems are at least 1% at fault for Trump’s re-election, the percentage of their role in his being re-elected (5%? 10?) is not a significant enough contributing factor to keep bringing it up.

I realize it makes some people feel good to bring that up. Usually, these are lifelong republicans who dislike Trump, and it makes them feel good to blame the party they have disliked for their entire lives for Trump. But that doesn’t make it a rational discussion point. At some point, you have to blame the millions of middle-ground voters who were stupid enough to think that woke issues like transgender sports and public bathrooms were worrisome enough to vote for Trump. While those are valid concerns, the weight and import they carry pales in comparison to the stuff that actually matters—the economy, foreign policy, etc.

Sure, millions are happy about executive orders which put some reins on the trans issues. But that’s low hanging fruit. Trump could issue an executive order that all pedophiles are to be given life in prison without parole, and that would probably be his most popular order. That something is extremely popular doesn’t mean it’s salient or representative of difficult governing. This is putting chocolate milk in the drinking fountains. Everybody loves it. Meanwhile, someone is dumping gasoline around the school and getting ready to light a match. But we got some chocolate milk, so that’s nice.

Wow. Yet another person unable to parse very simple nuance.

Trump is bad therefore we can’t honestly and rationally assess what happened. Gotcha.

if democrats are this obtuse, we are doomed.

[Bo Diddley]

Wow. Yet another person unable to parse very simple nuance.

Trump is bad therefore we can’t honestly and rationally assess what happened. Gotcha.

if democrats are this obtuse, we are doomed.

You seem to be painting nuance in black and white terms. I think reasonable people can agree to disagree on the nuance.

[Moliere]

I am going to be honest and say I do in fact blame the Dems. I am pissed. They clung to a senile buffoon who could barely formulate sentences and allowed him to run unchallenged. They hid him from the world and the whole fiasco came to a haunting stop when he had no where to hide and had to actually debate Trump. What that did was cause a massive shift of many undecided voters to shift. This caused the whole party to look suspicious as any logical person would conclude they hid him from us and thought we would be stupid enough to not notice. To make it even worse.. They allowed his VP who was completely tainted by this whole fiasco to become the de facto nomination. There is no way in hell she would not know how bad it was and ergo. Tainted as well.. That only further casted doubt towards the Dems. Trump pounced, went full steam ahead. Going on Joe Rogans show and capturing a ton of voters from a demographic he did not do well up to that point. Followed up by VP Vance doing the same. While Harris and her even more woke VP looked inept and closed off as Biden was his whole 4-years

So. Yes. I blame the Dems. They tainted this and the American voters elected Trump.

This is not about Trump and the disgusting person he is but the optics of how everything went down and the massive cloud the Dems had and continue to have as they are tone-deaf to what is in front of them. Hell.. Not a single Dem voted in support of no Males in Womens Sports bill while the majority of America agrees with this!! They are going to die on this hill and are in fact dying.

So yeah. I blame them. Had they force Biden out before the primaries and let the process happen. We are not sitting in this position.

This is exactly why the Dems are not 1% at fault. It's a higher percentage than that. I'd wager it's around 10-20% at fault. They lied and obfuscated Biden's cognitive ability. They looked at a red ball and said it was blue and tried to cancel you if you didn't say it was blue. They sowed a culture of believing things are as they want them to be instead of how they really are. It was disgusting...and even I held my nose and voted for Kamala because the Dems horrible culture was miles better than what Trump would bring. But not everyone is like me as there are a lot of people who wouldn't hold their noses.

Dems, next time do a real primary if your president is not cognitively there. Give Americans a fair shake at their nominees. Maybe you'll actually win something.

[Maximus]

You seem to be painting nuance in black and white terms. I think reasonable people can agree to disagree on the nuance.

Nah you dont just understand what JL does

[Maximus]

Good lord..

I mean he won twice because of Russia.

[frank ryan]

Wow. Yet another person unable to parse very simple nuance.

Trump is bad therefore we can’t honestly and rationally assess what happened. Gotcha.

if democrats are this obtuse, we are doomed.

Obtuse is voting for Trump

[frank ryan]

This is exactly why the Dems are not 1% at fault. It's a higher percentage than that. I'd wager it's around 10-20% at fault. They lied and obfuscated Biden's cognitive ability. They looked at a red ball and said it was blue and tried to cancel you if you didn't say it was blue. They sowed a culture of believing things are as they want them to be instead of how they really are. It was disgusting...and even I held my nose and voted for Kamala because the Dems horrible culture was miles better than what Trump would bring. But not everyone is like me as there are a lot of people who wouldn't hold their noses.

Dems, next time do a real primary if your president is not cognitively there. Give Americans a fair shake at their nominees. Maybe you'll actually win something.

Harris was comparatively much better than Trump. Just keep watching this administration unfold and you will find your criticism best reserved for the people who actually helped install him in power, rather than his political opponents who didn't effectively succeed in defeating him.

Trump is smashing shit about and we are still blabbing about Biden.

[USUC]

This isn’t joint and several liability, folks. So just because the Woke Dems are at least 1% at fault for Trump’s re-election, the percentage of their role in his being re-elected (5%? 10?) is not a significant enough contributing factor to keep bringing it up.

I realize it makes some people feel good to bring that up. Usually, these are lifelong republicans who dislike Trump, and it makes them feel good to blame the party they have disliked for their entire lives for Trump. But that doesn’t make it a rational discussion point. At some point, you have to blame the millions of middle-ground voters who were stupid enough to think that woke issues like transgender sports and public bathrooms were worrisome enough to vote for Trump. While those are valid concerns, the weight and import they carry pales in comparison to the stuff that actually matters—the economy, foreign policy, etc.

Sure, millions are happy about executive orders which put some reins on the trans issues. But that’s low hanging fruit. Trump could issue an executive order that all pedophiles are to be given life in prison without parole, and that would probably be his most popular order. That something is extremely popular doesn’t mean it’s salient or representative of difficult governing. This is putting chocolate milk in the drinking fountains. Everybody loves it. Meanwhile, someone is dumping gasoline around the school and getting ready to light a match. But we got some chocolate milk, so that’s nice.

We are an equally divided country. Presidential elections are won on razor thin margins these days. Candidate selection is incredibly important. Trump didnt win a landslide. The Dems had two chances at choosing candidates. In the snapshot of the 2024 election, they share culpability.

It's astonishing to me that people think Trump's rise to power happened in a vacuum. That it's just some critical mass of bone headed citizens too stupid to see the obvious. The post WWII institutions have failed to adapt to the modern information age to meet the needs of the populace. Like all bloated legacy organizations, they are slow to respond and stick to what has worked for them in the past. They come to work to serve themselves more than society. A backlash is inevitable. Then a destroyer is chosen to bring about change. The only reason that this destroyer is a right wing narcissistic asshole is because by 2014 almost every cultural and economic institution had been captured by the left. If the roles were reversed we would have Bernie Sanders destroying the system. I don't believe institutions captured by the right would have adapted any better.

You can blame the millions of middle-ground voters for wrongly believing institutions are broken. But the zeitgeist is bigger and more powerful than us all. The social contract is only stable when institutions are mostly apolitical and non partisan.

[frank ryan]

Good lord..

Russia did help him dude and he is paying them back

[YOhio]

Blame and shame the Republicans. They deserve it. But the Democrats are blowing an opportunity for even a speck of introspection. Their tent grew smaller over the course of Biden's presidency. They acted and governed as if Trump could never return to power, doing nothing to appeal to the disaffected Republicans or centrists. They didn't establish a unifying vision and squandered the post-Trump opportunity with further division. The Democrats who seem to understand this are Ro Khanna, Fetterman and Gavin Newsom. Newsom's podcast with Charlie Kirk was what they should have been doing for the past four years.

[Maximus]

We are an equally divided country. Presidential elections are won on razor thin margins these days. Candidate selection is incredibly important. Trump didnt win a landslide. The Dems had two chances at choosing candidates. In the snapshot of the 2024 election, they share culpability.

It's astonishing to me that people think Trump's rise to power happened in a vacuum. That it's just some critical mass of bone headed citizens too stupid to see the obvious. The post WWII institutions have failed to adapt to the modern information age to meet the needs of the populace. Like all bloated legacy organizations, they are slow to respond and stick to what has worked for them in the past. They come to work to serve themselves more than society. A backlash is inevitable. Then a destroyer is chosen to bring about change. The only reason that this destroyer is a right wing narcissistic asshole is because by 2014 almost every cultural and economic institution had been captured by the left. If the roles were reversed we would have Bernie Sanders destroying the system. I don't believe institutions captured by the right would have adapted any better.

You can blame the millions of middle-ground voters for wrongly believing institutions are broken. But the zeitgeist is bigger and more powerful than us all. The social contract is only stable when institutions are mostly apolitical and non partisan.

institutions being captures by the left seems like culture war nonsense. What actions have they taken that has been for the left?

Maybe facts have a liberal bias