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  • #1921
    Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
    this time the whining will come from the republicans. everyone is happy when it works in their favor.
    Why would the republicans whine about the EC? Trump will almost assuredly lose the popular vote again.

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    • #1922
      Originally posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
      I'm one who would like to see the electoral college tossed out and switch to a democratic vote.

      I feel that my vote for president doesn't really count. In the eight presidential elections that I voted in when I lived in California, the state was going with the Democrat and my vote wouldn't make any difference at all. Now that I'm in Idaho, the state will go with the Republican and my vote still won't count. With a pure democratic vote my vote would count.

      By the way, I voted today - mayor and city council. I know that my vote counts in those races.
      Interesting way to think about it. However, one could argue that a voters vote in Idaho counts even less in a popular vote scenario. What is one vote in an election where 136 million votes cast really worth?

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      • #1923
        Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
        Why would the republicans whine about the EC? Trump will almost assuredly lose the popular vote again.
        True, I don't know. It sounded right when I was typing it.

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        • #1924
          Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
          Interesting way to think about it. However, one could argue that a voters vote in Idaho counts even less in a popular vote scenario. What is one vote in an election where 136 million votes cast really worth?
          It's worth exactly as much as one vote case anywhere else in the country. With the Electoral College it isn't.

          That would also make it possible for people in Washington DC to have a vote count. Maybe even Puerto Rico.

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          • #1925
            Originally posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
            It's worth exactly as much as one vote case anywhere else in the country. With the Electoral College it isn't.

            That would also make it possible for people in Washington DC to have a vote count. Maybe even Puerto Rico.
            You have it backwards. Your vote in Idaho would count less, not more.
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            • #1926
              Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
              Now do Clinton vs. Trump circa 2016.
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              • #1927
                Originally posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
                It's worth exactly as much as one vote case anywhere else in the country. With the Electoral College it isn't.

                That would also make it possible for people in Washington DC to have a vote count. Maybe even Puerto Rico.
                Washington DC has 3 electoral votes. Why don't their votes count now?

                You are going to have to explain why your vote doesn't count in a EC system, but somehow would count in a popular vote system. Just because your vote isn't a vote for the winning side in Idaho, doesn't mean that all of the sudden it become more valuable because you can cast it in a general election where there are 136 million people voting. Your vote has next to no value in such a system.

                Put another way, Idaho has a population of around 1.8 million people and has 4 electoral votes, which equals 1 electoral vote per 450,000 people in Idaho. California has a population of around 40 million and has 55 electoral votes, which is 1 electoral vote per 727,272 people in California. You want to move it to a system where there is one electoral vote for every 350,000,000.

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                • #1928
                  I’m okay with getting rid of the electoral college if we move to a parliamentary system. But a straight popular vote under the current system is a really stupid idea.
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                  • #1929
                    The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    You have it backwards. Your vote in Idaho would count less, not more.
                    Stop it.
                    Last edited by Sullyute; 11-05-2019, 02:52 PM.
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                    • #1930
                      Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                      Stop it.
                      Lol. You stop it!
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                      • #1931
                        Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                        And, quite frankly, I'm actually feeling more likely to vote for Trump as a result. Not because I like the guy - but because I really want the Dem's to get the message that if they, as Bill Maher stated, would "just be less crazy than Donald Trump", then they'd have a chance.
                        Anti-imperialism is the underlying fracture point of the US electorate... that is why Tulsi is popular with both some segments of the right and some segments of the left.

                        Gee golly, you think that nominating a Dem that has appeal to BOTH the left AND the right would be a slam dunk strategy. But the Left is too fixated on ideological purity to grasp this simple concept and therefore it seems unlikely the Dems will defeat Trump next year.
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                        • #1932
                          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                          I’m okay with getting rid of the electoral college if we move to a parliamentary system. But a straight popular vote under the current system is a really stupid idea.
                          Exactly...get rid of the EC and California, Texas, and New York are the only 3 states that count for elections.

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                          • #1933
                            Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                            I’m okay with getting rid of the electoral college if we move to a parliamentary system. But a straight popular vote under the current system is a really stupid idea.
                            I like it!
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                            • #1934
                              The Democrats took control of the VA legislature for the 1st time in over 25 years, and it looks like Trump's ally in KY has lost reelection bid gov. Trump carries that state by like 30 points.

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                              • #1935
                                Warren's numbers are going the wrong way over the last month.

                                https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...tion-6730.html

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