San Bernardino Shooting

[SCcoug]

Huh? Destructive device? What is that?

Nick Emery's left hook.

[il Padrino Ute]

It will require a repeal of the 2nd amendment.

That's the only way and I can't ever imagine that happening, at least not in my lifetime.

[il Padrino Ute]

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying...

Okay, then please point out the mass shootings that were carried out by mentally stable people and in which areas where guns are allowed.

[Jeff Lebowski]

How do you stop access to weapons without violating the right to bear arms?

Not possible. The two goals are incompatible.

[il Padrino Ute]

Not possible. The two goals are incompatible.

Agreed.

[Drunk Tank]

Huh? Destructive device? What is that?

Here in CA with our awesome gun laws, the Judge is considered a short barreled shotgun and illegal. However, it doesn't fit the definition of a shotgun because it doesn't have a smooth bore. So California has designated it as a "destructive device". Other destructive devices include bullets greater than .60 caliber, grenades, etc... It is dumb. There is a loophole where if you can get a NFA dealer (NFA is the national firearms act which banned machine guns and created what is now known as "assault weapons") here who can import one into CA that has a foregrip installed, you can register it with the ATF as a "any other weapon" as long as your sheriff signs the paperwork or you create a "NFA Trust". However, it is a long and drawn out process and a royal pain in the ass. An "any other weapon is a weapon that does not fit in the atf's definition of firearm or assault weapon.

[Non Sequitur]

How do you stop access to weapons without violating the right to bear arms?

All you have to do is make it impossible to get ammunition.

[cougjunkie]

Here in CA with our awesome gun laws, the Judge is considered a short barreled shotgun and illegal. However, it doesn't fit the definition of a shotgun because it doesn't have a smooth bore. So California has designated it as a "destructive device". Other destructive devices include bullets greater than .60 caliber, grenades, etc... It is dumb. There is a loophole where if you can get a NFA dealer (NFA is the national firearms act which banned machine guns and created what is now known as "assault weapons") here who can import one into CA that has a foregrip installed, you can register it with the ATF as a "any other weapon" as long as your sheriff signs the paperwork or you create a "NFA Trust". However, it is a long and drawn out process and a royal pain in the ass. An "any other weapon is a weapon that does not fit in the atf's definition of firearm or assault weapon.

That is how my dad ended up with that gun. My uncle who lives in California bought it in another state. He found out it was illegal in California and sold it to my dad.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here in CA with our awesome gun laws, the Judge is considered a short barreled shotgun and illegal. However, it doesn't fit the definition of a shotgun because it doesn't have a smooth bore. So California has designated it as a "destructive device". Other destructive devices include bullets greater than .60 caliber, grenades, etc... It is dumb. There is a loophole where if you can get a NFA dealer (NFA is the national firearms act which banned machine guns and created what is now known as "assault weapons") here who can import one into CA that has a foregrip installed, you can register it with the ATF as a "any other weapon" as long as your sheriff signs the paperwork or you create a "NFA Trust". However, it is a long and drawn out process and a royal pain in the ass. An "any other weapon is a weapon that does not fit in the atf's definition of firearm or assault weapon.

Good grief. A .410 shotgun shell is going to be way less dangerous than a .45 caliber bullet.

[wuapinmon]

Good grief. A .410 shotgun shell is going to be way less dangerous than a .45 caliber bullet.

Even in close quarters?

[old_gregg]

Even in close quarters?

yes

edit: i guess it depends on what .410 you're shooting. a .410 slug might change things. either one is going to mess your day up:

[Bo Diddley]

All you have to do is make it impossible to get ammunition.

I would imagine if the govt did something crazy that people could start manufacturing their own ammo. They can already make their own guns as well.

[Bo Diddley]

It will require a repeal of the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd Amendment is very loosely worded. I could see a lopsided Supreme Court drastically narrowing what the 2nd Amendment means, essentially gutting the right to bear arms. America today would never stand for that, but in a generation or two, who knows? Never say never.

[Northwestcoug]

Okay, then please point out the mass shootings that were carried out by mentally stable people and in which areas where guns are allowed.

Nah. Instead, let's discuss the buffoonery of Huckabee insinuating that if we do away with gun-free zones shootings will magically decrease.

[USUC]

Good grief, I am sick of the idiots who think changing background checks or adding fingerprint locks to guns is the key to stopping mass shooting. No, the only thing that would stop them is repealing the second amendment and confiscating hundreds of millions of guns. Think Clive Bundy standoff X 1,000,000. If you want to push for that, fine. But let's at least have an honest discussion.

Should be easy to do, right?