Trigger warnings, safe spaces, and fascism on college campuses

[Commando]

Your whatabout game is strong.

I don't think he's whatabouting. I think he's saying nobody gives 2 shits about things that are objectively more profane-that kids actually have broad access to- than drag shows or drag reading hours and saying it's dishonest outrage. Whatabouting would admit that drag shows and drag reading hour are profane and obscene but so are items x y z.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I swear it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation around here on political issues. If you offer even a mild critique on an issue everyone then expects you to defend the extremist position. I refuse to give in to that. Sorry.

[Shaka]

I swear it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation around here on political issues. If you offer even a mild critique on an issue everyone then expects you to defend the extremist position. I refuse to give in to that. Sorry.

Agreed

[Maximus]

I summarized his whole post. Try to keep up.

nah it is correctly showing the people complaining about drag shows are not doing it out of care or worry for kids. and then when commando said nah not whatabout, you throw out the I cant talk about it with you,

[Jeff Lebowski]

nah it is correctly showing the people complaining about drag shows are not doing it out of care or worry for kids. and then when commando said nah not whatabout, you throw out the I cant talk about it with you,

You didn't "correctly show" anything of the sort.

[Maximus]

You didn't "correctly show" anything of the sort.

I know I didn't. Non seq did

Please provide any evidence the outrageous about drag shows is about caring about kids safety

Basically the question was , is there some need to legislate drag queens and there's no evidence there is

[Jeff Lebowski]

I know I didn't. Non seq did

Please provide any evidence the outrageous about drag shows is about caring about kids safety

See, there you go. You make a blanket assertion and then demand that I disprove your assertion.

[Maximus]

See, there you go. You make a blanket assertion and then demand that I disprove your assertion.

? That's the whole topic isn't jt?

[Jeff Lebowski]

? That's the whole topic isn't jt?

You can’t even recognize when you are being hyperbolic. It is not my job to debunk everything you post.

[Maximus]

To me, correct me if I am wrong, this started with the question of if the legislative backlash against drag shows etc was warranted. Am I wrong?

[Bo Diddley]

I'd just like to hear someone articulate why the issue needs legislation. It's simply more culture war nonsense.

[Eddie]

The whole drag show debate is just the current battlefield. That's all it is. No one would be doing a drag book reading/show in schools or in public libraries if they didn't want the right to react like they are - which in turn allows the left to react as they are. I'm sure there is an element of trying to normalize drag and LGBTQ folks, particularly for children. And I'm sure that some of the right's reaction is to that. But for me - it's more about what's appropriate in public places. Are drag shows? To me, that depends entirely on the content of the show.

As far as the Vernal thing being "private" - I'm not sure there's anything that is truly private in a public library. Over the last few years, I've done dozens of events at public libraries across the entire state of Utah. Guess what they all had in common - an agreement that in order to use the public library's space, ANYONE had to be permitted to attend. From random walk-ins who heard about it to people who just happened to be in the library and decided they were curious and joined. For my purposes - that worked great. We wanted people to come. I got curious - so I looked it up for Vernal.

This is directly from the Uintah County Library conditions of use on their website:

"2.1 The Uintah County Library Meeting Rooms are available for use by community civic, educational, governmental, and cultural groups insomuch as such meetings:...

3. Are open to the public. No private parties, reunions, or social functions such as birthday parties or family game nights are permitted."

I haven't been to any drag shows, but I have seen people dressed in drag at various events - and it in my experience it is much more common for folks in drag to dress as if they're in a burlesque show than to dress like Mrs. Doubtfire.

In all reality - I don't care if there are drag shows. They can be held as often as people want to organize and hold them. I do believe that if they are in public places - like public libraries or parks - or in places predominantly frequented by children - like schools - then there should be some dress standards. I would be against a wet t-shirt or bikini contest taking place at any of these places too. This isn't an LGBTQ thing to me.

Finally - I find comparing a drag show in a public place or public school to whatever is available on HBO or other cable/streaming services ridiculous. Yes - children can access those and probably even watch with their parents at times. But the reality is that those are instances in which parents have invited the content into their home and can do what they want in private. In all honesty - I've got no problem with laws that threaten prosecution for parents who intentionally expose their children to sexually explicit stuff, even at home. On the other hand, parents shouldn't have to wonder if their children are in danger of running across inappropriately dressed people at the park or city library. If they are dressed appropriately for a place where children will be, then fine. Go for it.

To me, it's not necessarily about dressing in drag. It's about dressing appropriately for the audience who will be in attendance. And anything held at a public park or library should recognize that intentional or not - their audience is all ages, including children.

[Pelado]

The whole drag show debate is just the current battlefield. That's all it is. No one would be doing a drag book reading/show in schools or in public libraries if they didn't want the right to react like they are - which in turn allows the left to react as they are. I'm sure there is an element of trying to normalize drag and LGBTQ folks, particularly for children. And I'm sure that some of the right's reaction is to that. But for me - it's more about what's appropriate in public places. Are drag shows? To me, that depends entirely on the content of the show.

As far as the Vernal thing being "private" - I'm not sure there's anything that is truly private in a public library. Over the last few years, I've done dozens of events at public libraries across the entire state of Utah. Guess what they all had in common - an agreement that in order to use the public library's space, ANYONE had to be permitted to attend. From random walk-ins who heard about it to people who just happened to be in the library and decided they were curious and joined. For my purposes - that worked great. We wanted people to come. I got curious - so I looked it up for Vernal.

This is directly from the Uintah County Library conditions of use on their website:

"2.1 The Uintah County Library Meeting Rooms are available for use by community civic, educational, governmental, and cultural groups insomuch as such meetings:...

3. Are open to the public. No private parties, reunions, or social functions such as birthday parties or family game nights are permitted."

I haven't been to any drag shows, but I have seen people dressed in drag at various events - and it in my experience it is much more common for folks in drag to dress as if they're in a burlesque show than to dress like Mrs. Doubtfire.

In all reality - I don't care if there are drag shows. They can be held as often as people want to organize and hold them. I do believe that if they are in public places - like public libraries or parks - or in places predominantly frequented by children - like schools - then there should be some dress standards. I would be against a wet t-shirt or bikini contest taking place at any of these places too. This isn't an LGBTQ thing to me.

Finally - I find comparing a drag show in a public place or public school to whatever is available on HBO or other cable/streaming services ridiculous. Yes - children can access those and probably even watch with their parents at times. But the reality is that those are instances in which parents have invited the content into their home and can do what they want in private. In all honesty - I've got no problem with laws that threaten prosecution for parents who intentionally expose their children to sexually explicit stuff, even at home. On the other hand, parents shouldn't have to wonder if their children are in danger of running across inappropriately dressed people at the park or city library. If they are dressed appropriately for a place where children will be, then fine. Go for it.

To me, it's not necessarily about dressing in drag. It's about dressing appropriately for the audience who will be in attendance. And anything held at a public park or library should recognize that intentional or not - their audience is all ages, including children.

Of your many public library appearances, what percentage were in drag?

[Omaha 680]

I swear it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation around here on political issues. If you offer even a mild critique on an issue everyone then expects you to defend the extremist position. I refuse to give in to that. Sorry.

By "on here" do you mean "in America"? If so I agree!

[Jeff Lebowski]

By "on here" do you mean "in America"? If so I agree!

Haha. Pretty much.