On abortion

[Uncle Ted]

Moving away from the decision SCOTUS itself, what does the political fight look like now? I think this will be the classic dog that caught the car scenario for pro lifers. It's going to be nearly impossible to enforce what they want.

For Utah in particular, how does this shake out? Is Plan B access in danger now? Will they attempt to prosecute residents who go to other states for abortions? I kind of think Cox will prevent a Texas or Louisiana sitation hsppening here, but who knows now.

I am guessing they will put an abortion clinic between the 24x7 booze store and marijuana dispensary just across the border in Wendover... Not much will change. You knock up your girlfriend one weekend. You take her to Wendover another weekend for an abortion, gambling, hard booze, and some mary jane.

[fusnik]

https://mobile.twitter.com/petermaer...C9zZH-5eAqAAAA

There’s gonna to be hundreds of these circumstances over the next 3-4 months you’d think.

Im assuming criminalization of abortion is next for a bunch of states.

[Non Sequitur]

Moving away from the decision SCOTUS itself, what does the political fight look like now? I think this will be the classic dog that caught the car scenario for pro lifers. It's going to be nearly impossible to enforce what they want.

For Utah in particular, how does this shake out? Is Plan B access in danger now? Will they attempt to prosecute residents who go to other states for abortions? I kind of think Cox will prevent a Texas or Louisiana sitation hsppening here, but who knows now.

They will eventually go after Plan B. There are lawmakers who are of the opinion that life begins at fertilization, however ridiculous that is. The immediate fight will be go after people wanting to cross state lines to get an abortion or people trying to purchase medical abortion drugs. So much of this is political theater. Just as prohibition did not change Americans appetite for alcohol, this will not change Americans views on abortion. All that will be accomplished is that abortions will now be more expensive and more dangerous.

[falafel]

I am guessing they will put an abortion clinic between the 24x7 booze store and marijuana dispensary just across the border in Wendover... Not much will change. You knock up your girlfriend one weekend. You take her to Wendover another weekend for an abortion, gambling, hard booze, and some mary jane.

And a quick divorce, if that is necessary.

[USUC]

They will eventually go after Plan B. There are lawmakers who are of the opinion that life begins at fertilization, however ridiculous that is. The immediate fight will be go after people wanting to cross state lines to get an abortion or people trying to purchase medical abortion drugs. So much of this is political theater. Just as prohibition did not change Americans appetite for alcohol, this will not change Americans views on abortion. All that will be accomplished is that abortions will now be more expensive and more dangerous.

Are you speaking nationally or about Utah? Nationally, no doubt. I think Louisiana has most of what you say right now. I'm not sure about Utah though.

[Non Sequitur]

Are you speaking nationally or about Utah? Nationally, no doubt. I think Louisiana has most of what you say right now. I'm not sure about Utah though.

Both. A majority of the new laws popping up are aimed at going after abortion providers. The next phase will be to start going after individuals, which is truly frightening. It will open a whole can of worms of how far we go in allowing the government to monitor a woman's pregnancy. If medical abortion drugs are illegal in Utah, but a woman takes one anyway and induces a miscarriage and sees a doctor, what power are we willing to give the state to determine whether the miscarriage was medically induced?

[Northwestcoug]

Muh states’ rights!

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[Pelado]

What are the abortion laws like in other (non-China) countries?

[Northwestcoug]

What are the abortion laws like in other (non-China) countries?

Whatever they are in the rest of the developed world, they aren’t nearly as bad as some states that have already passed trigger laws going into effect. And not as bad as a bunch of others that will pass bad legislation in the face of constant pressure from the pro life contingent.

[Uncle Ted]

I guess some of my liberal friends may be moving...

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[Moliere]

What are the abortion laws like in other (non-China) countries?

Most European countries allow abortions in demand up to 14 weeks or around there. A 15 week ban on abortion would be right in line with Europe. It’s not crazy conservative to want a ban on abortion after 15 weeks, in fact it puts us squarely in the same group as those European atheist socialists.

But of course the liberals will make a ban on abortion after 15 weeks to sound like we are rounding up women and putting them into communes.

[Northwestcoug]

Most European countries allow abortions in demand up to 14 weeks or around there. A 15 week ban on abortion would be right in line with Europe. It’s not crazy conservative to want a ban on abortion after 15 weeks, in fact it puts us squarely in the same group as those European atheist socialists.

But of course the liberals will make a ban on abortion after 15 weeks to sound like we are rounding up women and putting them into communes.

This has been said before, but even though most European countries technically have a 2nd trimester ban, a lot of them do not enforce it that rigidly. In reality they are closer to the US.

very soon we’ll see just how important the whole ‘let the states decide their own abortion laws’ is to the GOP. And by that I mean we’ll see the lie revealed. They will continue to push for federal abortion restrictions, and the most vocal pro life contingent will never be happy until a near total ban is in place. I’m not saying that’s going to happen (well, very unlikely to happen in case Clark is reading this 10 years from now). But if you were tired of the culture wars before, buckle up.

[Uncle Ted]

Most European countries allow abortions in demand up to 14 weeks or around there. A 15 week ban on abortion would be right in line with Europe. It’s not crazy conservative to want a ban on abortion after 15 weeks, in fact it puts us squarely in the same group as those European atheist socialists.

But of course the liberals will make a ban on abortion after 15 weeks to sound like we are rounding up women and putting them into communes.

Yeah, the right to abort someone should be longer than just the first trimester... There are some liberals running around that should have been aborted in the first 14 weeks that could use to be aborted now. Better late than never.

[Uncle Ted]

Moving away from the decision SCOTUS itself, what does the political fight look like now? I think this will be the classic dog that caught the car scenario for pro lifers. It's going to be nearly impossible to enforce what they want.

For Utah in particular, how does this shake out? Is Plan B access in danger now? Will they attempt to prosecute residents who go to other states for abortions? I kind of think Cox will prevent a Texas or Louisiana sitation hsppening here, but who knows now.

Yeah, maybe Plan B access is in danger in Utah...

GOP lawmaker says she trusts Utah women to control their ‘intake of semen’ as abortion trigger law goes into effect
Utah Senate President Stuart Adams said he would support the Supreme Court also reconsidering same-sex marriage.

Republican lawmakers and Utah politicos celebrated the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade on Friday, with one legislator saying she trusted Utah women “to control [their] intake of semen.”
[...]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...ublicans-take/

[USUC]

Yeah, maybe Plan B access is in danger in Utah...


https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...ublicans-take/

Well, at least there is this

Lisonbee said she does not foresee lawmakers taking additional steps to prevent women from traveling to other states where abortion is still legal, as Utah’s law punishes abortion providers, not pregnant women.
“I don’t think there’s any contemplation that we would try to control a woman’s ability to travel or to obtain an abortion elsewhere,” Lisonbee said. “Certainly, if someone wants to do that, it’s a free country and we wouldn’t be the type of authoritarian government that would prevent that.”