On abortion

[Northwestcoug]

Idaho GOP seems nice:

By a nearly four-to-one margin, Idaho Republicans at the state party’s convention in Twin Falls rejected an amendment to the party platform on Saturday that would have provided an exception for a mother who has an abortion to safe her life.

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/07/16/no-exception-for-life-of-mother-included-in-idaho-gops-abortion-platform-language/

[Moliere]

Idaho GOP seems nice:



https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/07/...form-language/

Texas is going down the same path with the lawsuit filed last week. It’s alarming and isn’t going to end well.

[Eddie]

Honestly - it's the craziness of some of these states outlawing abortion in any and all instances that makes me think the Dems swallowing their pride and attempt to pass a national law allowing for abortion in the case of rape, incest, and health of the mother being at risk. I know it isn't everything they want - but I think those limits would have a chance to pass and are a decent compromise that most people agree with.

[USUC]

I think the consequences of this is both sides of this debate in America realizing that this all leads to European type laws. The extreme pro-life side is already dealing with the realities of rape and health issues that just can't be easily waived away. And the "shout your abortion" folks will soon realize how appalling they are and that late term abortions are morally reprehensible. This country will settle where Europe has decades ago with bans after around 15 weeks.

[Northwestcoug]

I think the consequences of this is both sides of this debate in America realizing that this all leads to European type laws. The extreme pro-life side is already dealing with the realities of rape and health issues that just can't be easily waived away. And the "shout your abortion" folks will soon realize how appalling they are and that late term abortions are morally reprehensible. This country will settle where Europe has decades ago with bans after around 15 weeks.

There is absolutely no equivalency between the state GOP bodies trying to outlaw all abortion and late term abortion proponents. Trying to legislate all abortion away is nowhere near equivalent to keeping the extremely rare instance of late term abortion at the discretion of the mother and medical professionals.

I am very pessimistic that the US will settle into a European-like abortion stance. It would take a national will that simply isn’t there. And if a national law passes, what’s the over/under on how many conservative states would just ignore it, like the Idaho GOP statement says? 10?

[Jeff Lebowski]

There is absolutely no equivalency between the state GOP bodies trying to outlaw all abortion and late term abortion proponents. Trying to legislate all abortion away is nowhere near equivalent to keeping the extremely rare instance of late term abortion at the discretion of the mother and medical professionals.

I am very pessimistic that the US will settle into a European-like abortion stance. It would take a national will that simply isn’t there. And if a national law passes, what’s the over/under on how many conservative states would just ignore it, like the Idaho GOP statement says? 10?

Ignoring it would not fly in court. Let's not get too carried away by dumb ideas in party platforms.

[Northwestcoug]

NYT article with all the Gor(such) details on how Roe v Wade was overturned. Here's a nice little detail on a singular issue in the US:

The timing of [Ginsburg's] death highlighted a singular feature of the federal judicial system: The United States is the world’s only major constitutional democracy without term limits or a mandatory retirement age for its highest judges. The lifetime tenure granted to Supreme Court justices means that laws affecting hundreds of millions of people can hang on the happenstance of a single elderly citizen’s decline.

The arrival of a new justice can help refresh the law. But tying a dramatic legal shift to the death of one particular justice can also erode trust in the court.

“Whatever you think about how abortion rights should be resolved,” said David A. Strauss, a University of Chicago law professor, “to resolve it this way, with a deathbed watch on one old person, seems crazy.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/u...-abortion.html

[Jeff Lebowski]

“Whatever you think about how abortion rights should be resolved,” said David A. Strauss, a University of Chicago law professor, “to resolve it this way, with a deathbed watch on one old person, seems crazy.”

What a ridiculous oversimplification.

[Northwestcoug]

What a ridiculous oversimplification.

Nothing in that quote suggests having term limits or mandatory retirement age for SCOTUS is any final solution. But that whole saga highlighted the grotesque nature of Ginsburg’s death watch in trying to time legal challenges, on both sides.

[All-American]

What a ridiculous oversimplification.

He’s right though, albeit in a way that completely misses the point. That is the problem with judge-made law.

[Shaka]

Here's an idea for SCJ: Know when to retire. If you decide to remain on the court until you die then you may be screwing your preferred party.

[Maximus]

Amazing that conservative leaders in some states took this case to make it legal to kill women if they have complications in pregnancy. Do the supporters of this overturning now regret it knowing Texas and others are pushing women to die over it ?

Makes me realize it was never about pro life for them

[Shaka]

Amazing that conservatives in some states took this case to make it legal to kill women if they have complications in pregnancy. Do the supporters of this overturning now regret it knowing Texas and others are pushing women to die over it ?

Makes me realize it was never about pro life for a good percentage

You've got to be kidding me. Are you stating that for a good percentage of conservatives, it's more about killing women rather than preserving the lives of the unborn?

[Maximus]

Where did I say a good percentage. Oops never mins...I should've said leaders . But yes texas is perfectly ok with killing women on this . Someone needs an emergency procedure and they threaten doctors if they save a life. Certainly not a about pro life.

I wonder if the sc would take it back if they knew some states would try and prevent women from being saved if doctors said it was necessary .

[Northwestcoug]

Here's an idea for SCJ: Know when to retire. If you decide to remain on the court until you die then you may be screwing your preferred party.

Or, hear me out on this one. The US could join the rest of the developed world and have term limits or a mandatory retirement age for the Supreme Court.