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  • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
    Not having read the opinion of the Court (nor any concurring or dissenting opinions) other than what is in that article, my inclination is to side with Jackson in the dissent.
    "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
    - Goatnapper'96

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    • Originally posted by Pelado View Post

      Not having read the opinion of the Court (nor any concurring or dissenting opinions) other than what is in that article, my inclination is to side with Jackson in the dissent.
      I don’t agree. I never got ice cream for good grades.
      τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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      • Originally posted by All-American View Post
        I don’t agree. I never got ice cream for good grades.
        Me either.

        I remember coming home one summer day and seeing my younger brother's summer school report card being displayed on the refrigerator. I was a bit salty, thinking that my mother had posted it, proud of his A(s). I figured he better get an A, since it was his second time taking the class(es).

        I went to my room and found my latest report card, and stuck it to the refrigerator next to my brother's. I figured it was more worthy of display, since it was a 4.0 in spite of it being my first attempt at each of those classes.

        Not much after that, my report card was no longer being displayed. I was upset that my mom had removed it. In retrospect, it was probably my brother who both posted his report card and removed mine. He was probably seeking some praise and I...didn't provide any.
        "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
        - Goatnapper'96

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        • Chevron deference done. I think this will probably the most consequential case of the last decade. Moreover than Dobbs. The consequences of this are huge.

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          • Originally posted by USUC View Post
            Chevron deference done. I think this will probably the most consequential case of the last decade. Moreover than Dobbs. The consequences of this are huge.
            Just another signal from the supreme court that congress can't be lazy on writing laws.
            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • Originally posted by USUC View Post
              Chevron deference done. I think this will probably the most consequential case of the last decade. Moreover than Dobbs. The consequences of this are huge.
              How long ago was Citizens United? I think that one has been the biggest problem for a country and opened opportunities for graft via dark money.

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              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                How long ago was Citizens United? I think that one has been the biggest problem for a country and opened opportunities for graft via dark money.
                Executive branch agencies have their hands in everything. This will be petty disruptive. But as someone who is concerned about the power of the executive branch, as Trump seems destined to return, curtailing it's power is for the best.

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                • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post

                  Just another signal from the supreme court that congress can't be lazy on writing laws.
                  Chevron deference is/was a very responsible way to craft rules. Congress can't choose a leader or pass a budget, let alone write cogent and informed rules. If this goes back to being Congress' job, we're all screwed. Imagine Congress writing rules implementing the Clean Air Act.
                  Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                  "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post

                    Just another signal from the supreme court that congress can't be lazy on writing laws.
                    I realize this is a little cynical but what I see the Court doing a lot in recent years is either say Congress should have passed a law about that! Or if there already is a law about that then they just gut it or trash it if they don't like it. Example, the voting rights act. It's not Congress that rewrote it in recent years, it's the Supreme Court. I get that it sucks when courts take on legislative powers, which conservatives love to complain about, but it's also a fact that conservative justices when they have gotten the majority have been doing it just as much as the liberals were.

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                    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                      How long ago was Citizens United? I think that one has been the biggest problem for a country and opened opportunities for graft via dark money.
                      I think this latest one will be vastly more important. Chevron was one of the most often cited cases ever. And now it’s gone. The significance of that action would be hard to overstate.
                      τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                      • Originally posted by falafel View Post

                        Chevron deference is/was a very responsible way to craft rules. Congress can't choose a leader or pass a budget, let alone write cogent and informed rules. If this goes back to being Congress' job, we're all screwed. Imagine Congress writing rules implementing the Clean Air Act.
                        Don't you find it problematic that agencies have been empowered to invent their own authority? There is no doubt this will be rather disruptive, especially given congress' preference for theatrics over legislating. But congress can give agencies the power to do what they currently do. And they usually take the lazy way out.

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                        • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                          Don't you find it problematic that agencies have been empowered to invent their own authority? There is no doubt this will be rather disruptive, especially given congress' preference for theatrics over legislating. But congress can give agencies the power to do what they currently do. And they usually take the lazy way out.
                          I think I agree with falafel on this one. Federal agencies do take advantage of the power they were given under Chevron, but I can’t imagine congress trying to legislate specifics around regulations…and I even work in the oil and gas industry, which by its nature hates regulatory bodies.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

                            I think I agree with falafel on this one. Federal agencies do take advantage of the power they were given under Chevron, but I can’t imagine congress trying to legislate specifics around regulations…and I even work in the oil and gas industry, which by its nature hates regulatory bodies.
                            Is the argument that agencies should have these powers simply because they are more efficient?

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                            • Bought and paid for

                              https://www.thenation.com/article/so...rt-power-grab/

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                              • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                                Pretty much agree here. The power the court is giving itself is concerning.

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