Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[SoCalCoug]

Are you comparing Funk to MLK jr?

No. What "people" were you referring to here:

Curious when you are going to give up your US citizenship, since our country has done similar things to people throughout its history.

[jay santos]

No, it's just that the efforts to make it look like the church has love and compassion for LGBTQ just seems a bit at odds with the policies and doctrinal claims. I'd rather they actually demonstrate love and compassion toward LGBTQ, rather than just try to convince people they do.

I'm annoyed by this new "religious freedom" angle. I'd prefer us to make policy and/or doctrinal changes to ease pain and suffering in the Mormon LGBT community and to raise the white flag with this war we've created with the LGBT community at large.

Barring that, I'd rather we zip our mouths and pray the issue receives as little publicity as possible.

Every time we fight back, we make it worse. This "religious freedom" angle stinks. People see through it immediately. It's illogical and embarrassing that the church is wasting time and resources on it.

People seek religion to find comfort, spiritual confirmation, connection with God, inspiration, counsel to deal with life's challenges and live a better life. Every minute and dollar the church spends on gay rights political agenda justification is just a huge miss on the important things.

[creekster]

Are you comparing Funk to MLK jr?

More like al sharpton. He often has a germ of a good idea but has no idea how to present it in a useful or persuasive way.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm annoyed by this new "religious freedom" angle. I'd prefer us to make policy and/or doctrinal changes to ease pain and suffering in the Mormon LGBT community and to raise the white flag with this war we've created with the LGBT community at large.

Barring that, I'd rather we zip our mouths and pray the issue receives as little publicity as possible.

Every time we fight back, we make it worse. This "religious freedom" angle stinks. People see through it immediately. It's illogical and embarrassing that the church is wasting time and resources on it.

People seek religion to find comfort, spiritual confirmation, connection with God, inspiration, counsel to deal with life's challenges and live a better life. Every minute and dollar the church spends on gay rights political agenda justification is just a huge miss on the important things.

Amen. I wish more people in the church got it like you.

[SoCalCoug]

I'm annoyed by this new "religious freedom" angle. I'd prefer us to make policy and/or doctrinal changes to ease pain and suffering in the Mormon LGBT community and to raise the white flag with this war we've created with the LGBT community at large.

Barring that, I'd rather we zip our mouths and pray the issue receives as little publicity as possible.

Every time we fight back, we make it worse. This "religious freedom" angle stinks. People see through it immediately. It's illogical and embarrassing that the church is wasting time and resources on it.

People seek religion to find comfort, spiritual confirmation, connection with God, inspiration, counsel to deal with life's challenges and live a better life. Every minute and dollar the church spends on gay rights political agenda justification is just a huge miss on the important things.

Great comments.

[Topper]

I'm annoyed by this new "religious freedom" angle. I'd prefer us to make policy and/or doctrinal changes to ease pain and suffering in the Mormon LGBT community and to raise the white flag with this war we've created with the LGBT community at large.

Barring that, I'd rather we zip our mouths and pray the issue receives as little publicity as possible.

Every time we fight back, we make it worse. This "religious freedom" angle stinks. People see through it immediately. It's illogical and embarrassing that the church is wasting time and resources on it.

People seek religion to find comfort, spiritual confirmation, connection with God, inspiration, counsel to deal with life's challenges and live a better life. Every minute and dollar the church spends on gay rights political agenda justification is just a huge miss on the important things.

I agree, and well-said. I believe it also furthers the alienation between the Church and its millennial members and the non-member millennial group.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The LGTBQ acronym is annoying. I don't even know what they mean by queer in the acronym, unless it means the derogatory term that was used for a homosexual man for decades. In that case, I'm not sure what the difference between G and Q is. And why can't "gay" encompass both gay men and women? Why the L? Then you have trannies who are about as hard to find as a leprechaun. Yet there's T right in the middle of the acronym.

I don't have too much of an opinion on bisexuals except that I think being a bisexual means one of two things: 1) If you're a bisexual male, it just means you're on your way to being a full blown gay male, how many men are really going around sleeping with both sexes and they're doing it for the long term and not merely a dude coming out of the closet? Anyone aside from David Bowie? 2) There have been bisexual females who dabble with the lesbian thing to advance their careers, see Anne Heche and Amber Heard. Other than that, the same question as above, where are all these women that remain uncommitted over the long term to either men or women?

The labeling of every distinct group is part and parcel with the war on pronouns (xe, xer, etc).

[SoCalCoug]

The LGTBQ acronym is annoying. I don't even know what they mean by queer in the acronym, unless it means the derogatory term that was used for a homosexual man for decades. In that case, I'm not sure what the difference between G and Q is. And why can't "gay" encompass both gay men and women? Why the L? Then you have trannies who are about as hard to find as a leprechaun. Yet there's T right in the middle of the acronym.

I don't have too much of an opinion on bisexuals except that I think being a bisexual means one of two things: 1) If you're a bisexual male, it just means you're on your way to being a full blown gay male, how many men are really going around sleeping with both sexes and they're doing it for the long term and not merely a dude coming out of the closet? Anyone aside from David Bowie? 2) There have been bisexual females who dabble with the lesbian thing to advance their careers, see Anne Heche and Amber Heard. Other than that, the same question as above, where are all these women that remain uncommitted over the long term to either men or women?

The labeling of every distinct group is part and parcel with the war on pronouns (xe, xer, etc).

How about we just call them "brothers," "sisters," "friends" and "neighbors"? Unfortunately, as long as discrimination against them exists, there needs to be some sort of label.

I'm all for eliminating labels based on sexuality. Treat everyone equally, respectfully and honorably.

[MartyFunkhouser]

The LGTBQ acronym is annoying. I don't even know what they mean by queer in the acronym, unless it means the derogatory term that was used for a homosexual man for decades. In that case, I'm not sure what the difference between G and Q is. And why can't "gay" encompass both gay men and women? Why the L? Then you have trannies who are about as hard to find as a leprechaun. Yet there's T right in the middle of the acronym.

I don't have too much of an opinion on bisexuals except that I think being a bisexual means one of two things: 1) If you're a bisexual male, it just means you're on your way to being a full blown gay male, how many men are really going around sleeping with both sexes and they're doing it for the long term and not merely a dude coming out of the closet? Anyone aside from David Bowie? 2) There have been bisexual females who dabble with the lesbian thing to advance their careers, see Anne Heche and Amber Heard. Other than that, the same question as above, where are all these women that remain uncommitted over the long term to either men or women?

The labeling of every distinct group is part and parcel with the war on pronouns (xe, xer, etc).

Well you went ahead and one-upped all your posts about how we should celebrate female teachers have sex with under aged male students.

[cougjunkie]

How about we just call them "brothers," "sisters," "friends" and "neighbors"? Unfortunately, as long as discrimination against them exists, there needs to be some sort of label.

I'm all for eliminating labels based on sexuality. Treat everyone equally, respectfully and honorably.

You act like heterosexuals are coming up with these labels. The gay community is choosing them and they continue to add to the list. It is a bit confusing.


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[SoCalCoug]

You act like heterosexuals are coming up with these labels. The gay community is choosing them and they continue to add to the list. It is a bit confusing.


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If they were not discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, the labels would be unnecessary.

[old_gregg]

If they were not discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, the labels would be unnecessary.

so you would prefer sexual identity to be whitewashed and ignored? not sure you're up to date with your queer theory bro, but i think embracing and celebrating difference is one of the things judith butler has been blabbering about for 30 years

[cougjunkie]

If they were not discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, the labels would be unnecessary.

You obviously don't hang with many queer millennials.

[Applejack]

The LGTBQ acronym is annoying. I don't even know what they mean by queer in the acronym, unless it means the derogatory term that was used for a homosexual man for decades. In that case, I'm not sure what the difference between G and Q is. And why can't "gay" encompass both gay men and women? Why the L? Then you have trannies who are about as hard to find as a leprechaun. Yet there's T right in the middle of the acronym.

I don't have too much of an opinion on bisexuals except that I think being a bisexual means one of two things: 1) If you're a bisexual male, it just means you're on your way to being a full blown gay male, how many men are really going around sleeping with both sexes and they're doing it for the long term and not merely a dude coming out of the closet? Anyone aside from David Bowie? 2) There have been bisexual females who dabble with the lesbian thing to advance their careers, see Anne Heche and Amber Heard. Other than that, the same question as above, where are all these women that remain uncommitted over the long term to either men or women?

The labeling of every distinct group is part and parcel with the war on pronouns (xe, xer, etc).

Yes, this is all so annoying. Why can't they call themselves what everyone else calls them: "Same Sex Attracted People." Would clear up all the confusion.

[MartyFunkhouser]

How about we just call them "brothers," "sisters," "friends" and "neighbors"? Unfortunately, as long as discrimination against them exists, there needs to be some sort of label.

I'm all for eliminating labels based on sexuality. Treat everyone equally, respectfully and honorably.

I'm with you, I would love to live in the world where these labels are not necessary. We certainly don't live in that world. We are nowhere close to that world. I doubt that world will exist in our lifetimes.

CMBF post illustrates how far we are away from living in that world. Let's take his views of bisexuality for example. He thinks being bisexual is entirely based on who you are fucking. If you are a bisexual man fucking a woman, but not fucking a man you aren't really bisexual. If you are a bisexual woman who has a long term relationship with a man you somehow cease to be bisexual. He has completely erased bisexuality.

So if you follow this line of thinking, if you are a heterosexual man who hasn't had sex with a woman, that must mean that you are not really a heterosexual.

The interesting thing is that the same thing happens in the LGBTQ community with bisexuals. You often have bisexuals who have settled into a relationship with an opposite sex partner excluded or erased from the community. Bisexuals can be every bit as marginalized by the community that they own and are a part of. This issue isn't even unique to heterosexuals.