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  • myboynoah
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 21719

    #526
    Is this bozo not dead yet? Just keep your damn promises and die already for your grandkids' economy!

    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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    • Moliere
      One man.....one pie
      • Oct 2009
      • 27926

      #527
      Why are liberals so upset about people banning CRT teaching in schools?
      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • myboynoah
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 21719

        #528
        Or better asked, why is that looney Lt. Gov. and his ilk so afraid of someone teaching CRT?

        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

        Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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        • Jeff Lebowski
          Corporate lackey for Jesus
          • Nov 2008
          • 69830

          #529
          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
          Why are liberals so upset about people banning CRT teaching in schools?
          You don’t see a problem with banning a university from teaching something?
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • Moliere
            One man.....one pie
            • Oct 2009
            • 27926

            #530
            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

            You don’t see a problem with banning a university from teaching something?
            Yeah, I see the problem there.

            I was asking a rhetorical question since liberals claim CRT isn’t taught in school so banning something not taught in schools from being taught in schools is just funny but so is the uproar over the banning.
            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • myboynoah
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 21719

              #531
              Originally posted by Moliere View Post

              Yeah, I see the problem there.

              I was asking a rhetorical question since liberals claim CRT isn’t taught in school so banning something not taught in schools from being taught in schools is just funny but so is the uproar over the banning.
              Huh?
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • myboynoah
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 21719

                #532
                Elements of CRT taught before, and then not taught after laws are passed.

                New critical race theory laws have teachers scared, confused and self-censoring

                White, who said she is the only African American teachers in the majority-White Walker Valley High School, said she never taught opinions but is now careful to delineate the source of everything.

                “It is, ‘This is information that I gained from C-SPAN. This is information that you can look at at this website,’” White said.

                She hesitates to answer questions about slavery and the Jim Crow era in America: “Miss White, what do you think about why people would treat each other that way?” “How would you handle it if you were enslaved?” “How would you handle it if you lived under Jim Crow?”

                If she is asked about critical race theory, she now replies, “I don’t have a thought on that.”

                Before the law passed, White said, she would try to draw her students out, pressing them to consider the causes of racism and urging them to inspect and understand their own feelings about the darkest parts of American history. She would have made clear all student opinions are valid and emphasized the need to think critically and empathetically about history.

                “Now, I shy away,” she said. “I say: ‘We can’t talk about that.’ Or: ‘We shouldn’t.’”
                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • BlueK
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 7227

                  #533
                  Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                  Why are liberals so upset about people banning CRT teaching in schools?
                  It's not a First Amendment issue?

                  Also, aren't some conservatives trying to define CRT as being any mention of race or the history of racism at all as being off limits?
                  Last edited by BlueK; 02-16-2022, 05:13 AM.

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                  • Moliere
                    One man.....one pie
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 27926

                    #534
                    Originally posted by BlueK View Post

                    It's not a First Amendment issue?

                    Also, aren't some conservatives trying to define CRT as being any mention of race or the history of racism at all as being off limits?
                    I have no idea. All I’ve seen in this is a bunch of liberals making fun of the GOP for trying to ban CRT and their point is that it’s not even taught in schools. It sounds like there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what is and what is not CRT.

                    I also know that this issue was likely used to galvanize the trumpers that were trying to get in school boards. In my purple area all four crazy trumpers that were running for the school board all got destroyed in the election so I’m not sure it’s having the impact they thought it would.
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • BlueK
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 7227

                      #535
                      Originally posted by Moliere View Post

                      I have no idea. All I’ve seen in this is a bunch of liberals making fun of the GOP for trying to ban CRT and their point is that it’s not even taught in schools. It sounds like there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what is and what is not CRT.

                      I also know that this issue was likely used to galvanize the trumpers that were trying to get in school boards. In my purple area all four crazy trumpers that were running for the school board all got destroyed in the election so I’m not sure it’s having the impact they thought it would.
                      Thats good that the nutjobs lost.

                      Basically liberals say it's an academic thing at the graduate level to study the longterm institutional effect of historical racism, or something along those lines. That is what they say is not being taught in k-12 schools.

                      The Trumpers are basically saying it is essentially almost any mention of race or racism.As a result some teachers are saying they're afraid to even give the opinion that Jim Crow laws were wrong, as evidenced by the article just cited. If that is really happening then its disturbing, IMO.
                      Last edited by BlueK; 02-16-2022, 06:41 AM.

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                      • Applejack
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3813

                        #536
                        Originally posted by BlueK View Post

                        Thats good that the nutjobs lost.

                        Basically liberals say it's an academic thing at the graduate level to study the longterm institutional effect of historical racism, or something along those lines. That is what they say is not being taught in k-12 schools.

                        The Trumpers are basically saying it is essentially almost any mention of race or racism.As a result some teachers are saying they're afraid to even give the opinion that Jim Crow laws were wrong, as evidenced by the article just cited. If that is really happening then its disturbing, IMO.
                        How many people on this board had ever heard of critical race theory a year ago? It’s the stupidest wedge issue ever invented.

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                        • Moliere
                          One man.....one pie
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 27926

                          #537
                          Originally posted by Applejack View Post

                          How many people on this board had ever heard of critical race theory a year ago? It’s the stupidest wedge issue ever invented.
                          I didn't and I read the wiki article on it and I still don't know what it is. I'm dumb.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • Applejack
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 3813

                            #538
                            Originally posted by Moliere View Post

                            I didn't and I read the wiki article on it and I still don't know what it is. I'm dumb.
                            It’s an obscure legal theory that, before 2021, had purchase with a thin slice of legal academics. Now, suburban housewives outside Wichita hate it!

                            so dumb. Fox News wins this one

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                            • Jeff Lebowski
                              Corporate lackey for Jesus
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 69830

                              #539
                              Agreed.

                              This is a perfect encapsulation of the debate:



                              EDIT: not sure why that isn't working. Try the direct link.


                              Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 02-16-2022, 10:27 AM.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • Moliere
                                One man.....one pie
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 27926

                                #540
                                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                Agreed.

                                This is a perfect encapsulation of the debate:



                                EDIT: not sure why that isn't working. Try the direct link.

                                Awesome!
                                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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