This thread has turned into high comedy. It's your coalition. You built it. You are going to get mad and be bewildered when a big chunk of that coalition thinks for itself?
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I knew Christie was a stereotypical Jersey boy, but I had hopes that he had some principles. Those hopes have vanished. Here's an article from The Daily Beast that confirms your observation. Less than three weeks ago Christie said “Bravado, by itself, is not a plan. I like him, he’s a good person, he’s just not the right person to be President of the United States and not the person that we’d want representing our country.”Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostYou guys didn't know that Christie is an uncouth pig and a thug? I'm surprised. He and Trump have always seemed to me twin sons of different mothers.
And then yesterday Christie in a disgusting display of political sleaze, said "There is no one who is better prepared to provide America with the strong leadership that it needs both at home and around the world than Donald Trump.” I am impressed he was able to say that with a straight face.
So the only question remaining is whether Christie has been promised the VP or AG slots, or simply a comfortable retirement.
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The guy who shut down bridges and tunnels out of spite, who cares that it caused ambulances to be unable to service people? Look I don't think Trump is worth anything as a president, but some of you guys need to stop this charade that the other people running for both parties are anything different than him.Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI knew Christie was a stereotypical Jersey boy, but I had hopes that he had some principles.Get confident, stupid
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Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostThe guy who shut down bridges and tunnels out of spite, who cares that it caused ambulances to be unable to service people? Look I don't think Trump is worth anything as a president, but some of you guys need to stop this charade that the other people running for both parties are anything different than him.
"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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I don't think he's saying anyone is a saint, I think he's taking issue with your claim that Trump is the same as everybody else. If he's not, I am.Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostYes espouse the morals of Hilary for me please. TIA
Hillary, Cruz, Bernie, Marco, etc. have their flaws; there are good reasons to dislikethe bunch. But Trump is a racist, sexist, anti-handicapped, anti-war hero, jerk who would (if we are to believe his own words) undermine free speech, property rights, and the second amendment (Topper's trifecta). Trump is a different kind of corrupt than your average politician.
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I would counter that he's just dumb enough to speak those things out loud, the others all have equally as disgusting of personal beliefs/flaws. They are just trained to not speak about them.Originally posted by Applejack View PostI don't think he's saying anyone is a saint, I think he's taking issue with your claim that Trump is the same as everybody else. If he's not, I am.
Hillary, Cruz, Bernie, Marco, etc. have their flaws; there are good reasons to dislikethe bunch. But Trump is a racist, sexist, anti-handicapped, anti-war hero, jerk who would (if we are to believe his own words) undermine free speech, property rights, and the second amendment (Topper's trifecta). Trump is a different kind of corrupt than your average politician.Get confident, stupid
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Trump is difficult to defend. And I suppose anybody can select the bozo he hates less, but I see no virtues whatsoever in Clinton. Gary Johnson looks much more appealing and at least I can look at myself in the mirror. I don't know how somebody can vote for Hillary in good conscience.Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostI would counter that he's just dumb enough to speak those things out loud, the others all have equally as disgusting of personal beliefs/flaws. They are just trained to not speak about them."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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He's a con man. Pure and simple. Running a massive con on millions of people.Originally posted by Applejack View PostI don't think he's saying anyone is a saint, I think he's taking issue with your claim that Trump is the same as everybody else. If he's not, I am.
Hillary, Cruz, Bernie, Marco, etc. have their flaws; there are good reasons to dislikethe bunch. But Trump is a racist, sexist, anti-handicapped, anti-war hero, jerk who would (if we are to believe his own words) undermine free speech, property rights, and the second amendment (Topper's trifecta). Trump is a different kind of corrupt than your average politician.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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That's a bingo.Originally posted by Applejack View PostI don't think he's saying anyone is a saint, I think he's taking issue with your claim that Trump is the same as everybody else. If he's not, I am.
Hillary, Cruz, Bernie, Marco, etc. have their flaws; there are good reasons to dislikethe bunch. But Trump is a racist, sexist, anti-handicapped, anti-war hero, jerk who would (if we are to believe his own words) undermine free speech, property rights, and the second amendment (Topper's trifecta). Trump is a different kind of corrupt than your average politician."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Two weeks before california shooting on taking in syrian refugees:
After:"I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to," Trump said in his first Fox News appearance in two weeks, appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor."
"This was started by President Obama when he didn't go in and do the job he should have when he drew the line in the sand, which turned out to be a very artificial line," Trump said in reference to Obama's red-line warning to Syrian leader Bashar Assad in 2013. "But you know, it's living in heck in Syria. There's no question about it. They're living in heck, and something has to be done.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361790.phpSo then he goes on TV the next day to not only announce a flip-flop, but to make the most contentious and controversial policy declaration possible -- we're going to "shutdown" "all Muslims" from "entering" the country.
Immediately, chatter about his unpopular views on bringing in Syrian refugees was off the front page, and off it so hard, in fact, that few even remember it happened.
But is this really what he thinks? Or is this just a salesman and deal-maker -- as Trump proudly proclaims himself -- saying whatever he thinks he needs to say to get the customer to sign on the line which is dotted? ......
So this is the most conservative we'll ever see Trump -- this is the absolute most conservative he'll ever be -- and he's not conservative at all, except, possibly, on immigration. He combines liberal policy impulses with frankly authoritarian or even fascist ones, which he thinks are "what conservatives want," because, frankly, he conceives of us as ugly-minded, stupid dummies who get off on this crap.
That's why he didn't put the "Ban Muslims" line in a more palatable, persuasive form, like "Reduce immigration from Muslim-majority countries or countries with a terrorism problem to a level where we can vet each individual applicant."
No, he put it in the most bigoted, ugly way he could think of, because that's about his level, and because, also, that's what he thinks "conservatives" are.
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