The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[BlueK]

Abolishing the IRS?

yeah, too hard to get done, but wouldn't be a bad thing in the least. the IRS is too powerful and income tax in general is stupid. It punishes you for being productive. A consumption tax that instead taxes you for the chunk of resources you gobble up, is better on so many levels.

[BlueK]

Pretty much in agreement with you. The problem I have with Cruz and it is a major one is I don't think he will have a prayer of getting anything done. My opinion is he would be the other end of President Obama. Claiming he wants to bring people together, but talking and acting in a way totally opposite of that. Then he would claim obstructionists and he tried, but no one would compromise with him.

Compromise to both President Obama and Cruz is we do it my way, I won. I am not a big fan of those who support him either. Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of the shut down the government croud. I don't doubt Cruz stayed home and didn't vote for Romney in the last election.

Beck likes Cruz. Hannity and Limbaugh are totally on the Trump bandwagon. I understand your point about Cruz not being able to get things done. On the other hand I think if he gets elected it also means the GOP holds onto the Senate and House and some of his ideas do get through. I don't see a realistic scenario where he sweeps into office but republicans lose their majorities in Congress.

[Bo Diddley]

Bernie won't run as an independent. Unlike Trump, he's not in it for his own self aggrandizement.

It would be interesting to see both Bernie and Trump run as independents.

[Maximus]

If trump becomes the presumptive nominee, does Romney run independent?

[byu71]

If trump becomes the presumptive nominee, does Romney run independent?

In my opinion Romney is too disliked by the media to run. I think it would have to be Kasich. Someone who ran, has experience and can appeal to conservative and moderate republicans, independents and maybe some moderate democrats.

The extremists in each party definitely would not vote for Kasich. I do think the media would go a bit easier on him than Romney though.

[BlueK]

If trump becomes the presumptive nominee, does Romney run independent?

I can see that. Or if not Romney, someone else from the "establishment" pro-business side of the GOP.

[BlueK]

It would be interesting to see both Bernie and Trump run as independents.

Bernie would not, IMO. He doesn't really want to take down the Democratic party or make it hard for them to win.

[SeattleUte]

Swish.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trum...Z9Cs4.facebook

At that time Germany was in nationwide economic distress. It was during the Great Depression--a worldwide event--and the Versailles treaty was a virtual death sentence on Germany's economy. There were a lot of Germans who were suffering and understandably angry--however misdirected those motivations may have been. Here, the very system--capitalism--that these clueless losers want to blame has made their lives luxurious by comparison to Germans' in the 1930s. There's anger and suffering here, but not enough to produce another Hitler, I venture.

[Northwestcoug]

Trump has a delegate lead because he keeps on getting that 35% plurality which appears to be his ceiling. All of the other voters -- Kasich, Rubio and Cruz voters will either not vote or vote for the non-Trump candidate. Head to head polls seem to indicate that Trump's support maxes out at between 40-45% of the GOP primary voters. What that doesn't take into account are the hillbillies that come out of the woodwork in these open primary states that aren't normally GOP primary voters.

You're missing my point about Idaho. Idaho has a winner take all feature that is triggered if someone gets 50%. Cruz got 48% of the state because Rubio insists on staying in after it has become obvious that all he's doing is preventing Cruz from getting a bigger proportion of the vote and is sometimes actually giving Trump delegates. It happened in Idaho and could have happened in Utah (assuming Rubio drops out tomorrow).

You want another example? TEXAS. If Cruz gets an extra 6-7 points in Texas, he wins the entire state. You know who campaigned hard in Texas? Rubio. You know who benefited from Rubio's campaigning in Texas? Trump -- he received 48 delegates.

One last time. I am not arguing about the fact that Rubio is keeping Cruz from winning more delegates than Trump. I am only saying I don't like the insinuation that Rubio should leave the race, as part of a higher calling to do all he can to stop Trump. I'm not saying that you're saying that. And I'm not arguing the math of the delegate count if Rubio had left the race before.

Sheesh.

[byu71]

At that time Germany was in nationwide economic distress. It was during the Great Depression--a worldwide event--and the Versailles treaty was a virtual death sentence on Germany's economy. There were a lot of Germans who were suffering and understandably angry--however misdirected those motivations may have been. Here, the very system--capitalism--that these clueless losers want to blame has made their lives luxurious by comparison to Germans' in the 1930s. There's anger and suffering here, but not enough to produce another Hitler, I venture.

I will bet if we google rawstory, we would find it is a progressive site. Now that could be a swish to some people but more like a waste of time to most.

If I am wrong and it is not a liberal vented site, I apologize to JL in advance.

[SCcoug]

I will bet if we google rawstory, we would find it is a progressive site. Now that could be a swish to some people but more like a waste of time to most.

If I am wrong and it is not a liberal vented site, I apologize to JL in advance.

I look forward to your research.

[BlueK]

I will bet if we google rawstory, we would find it is a progressive site. Now that could be a swish to some people but more like a waste of time to most.

If I am wrong and it is not a liberal vented site, I apologize to JL in advance.

Are you saying you doubt that some Trump supporters are trying to organize in this kind of way? A liberal site talking about it doesn't automatically mean it's not happening. Also, is it really that much of a stretch that some existing skinhead or radical right or KKK groups already organized might start to show up at Trump rallies? They all seem to be Trump fans, and those types are already inclined to show up where violence is a possibility.

[byu71]

Are you saying you doubt that some Trump supporters are trying to organize in this kind of way? A liberal site talking about it doesn't automatically mean it's not happening.

Sorry, I thought the site would probably be comparing Trump to Hitler, not just saying his tactics stink. Liberal sites that stick to attacking his policy or some of his actions are right a lot of times as long as they don't going bonkers and play the Hitler card.

[byu71]

I look forward to your research.

I don't care enough to research it. I would guess I am right, but I don't need to be right.

[Moliere]

yeah, too hard to get done, but wouldn't be a bad thing in the least. the IRS is too powerful and income tax in general is stupid. It punishes you for being productive. A consumption tax that instead taxes you for the chunk of resources you gobble up, is better on so many levels.

No matter how you tax, you'll need some government agency to enforce the tax law. Companies are audited all the time on their sales tax collections. If you get rid of the agency that audits them, how many are going to honestly report their consumption tax info and to whom would they report it?

Can you imagine a business filing their tax returns on Cruz's postcard tax return? Or maybe Cruz will just get rid of the IRS for individuals and not for businesses.

Plus, a lot of the tax code is there to define things. Simply creating a flat tax won't reduce the tax code down to a couple pages.