The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[Jeff Lebowski]

I am reading about the history of Nazi Germany. Currently in the section on Hitler's rise to power in the the early 1920's. Noticed a few things:

1) One of his central messages was to make Germany great again (and safe).
2) Following the Germany defeat in WW1, another central theme was restoring an attitude of winning.
3) Constantly talked about the negative influence of foreigners and immigrants in Germany.
4) His message resonated with the angry working class. Educated people were mostly against him.
5) At the early Nazi rallies, protesters would show up and shout and disturb the events. Some of the attendees beat the protestors up and Hitler approved. Based on this approval, a group of thugs formally organized to beat up protesters at subsequent rallies. This group later became the SA (storm troopers).

Now before you go all Godwin's Law on me, I do not consider Trump to be anywhere near the threat that Hitler was. Just found the parallels interesting.

Swish.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trum...Z9Cs4.facebook

A group of Donald Trump supporters over the weekend called for volunteers to join a would-be militia aiming to protect voters against so-called “violent far-left agitators.”

In recent days, violence at Trump’s rallies has escalated to match the candidate’s rhetoric. Last week, a man in North Carolina was charged with assault after he sucker-punched a black man. And on Sunday, police in Kansas City pepper-sprayed protesters outside of a Trump event.

Hours after a protester rushed the stage at Trump’s Dayton rally, a Twitter group called “The Lion’s Guard” called on supporters of the GOP front-runner to join a make-shift militia, according to RT.

[Commando]

The Lion's Guard. I will make a concerted effort to protest the shit out of a "Donald" event if it stops in my town. F*ck those guys.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

This guy breaks down the remaining races on the GOP side. It's a nice summary of the different contests and their wrinkles, but I don't really agree with his conclusions. First of all, he says that Utah's delegates will be split between Cruz and Trump -- wrong. Utah has a winner take all feature that is triggered at 50%. Given Cruz's performance in Idaho and Wyoming and with Rubio out of the race by the end of tomorrow, Cruz is getting to 50%.

I also don't know if this guy reads the GOP voters very well in some of the Western states -- particularly California, Oregon and Washington. For example, the county in Idaho outside of Spokane -- which is basically a suburb of Spokane, went overwhelmingly for Cruz in comparison to Trump. While I realize that Spokane isn't Portland or Seattle, it's probably the best proxy we have for how the GOP primary voters will vote in those suburbs. Ada County also went for Cruz by 10 points. With all of that in mind, I don't see how voters in Orange county, the other suburbs of LA, the suburbs of San Diego and whatever GOP voters exist in the Bay Area end up going for Trump. Maybe Trump will find support in places like Bakersfield and Fresno, but I'm skeptical.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ins-nomination

[Dwight Schr-ute]

The Lion's Guard. I will make a concerted effort to protest the shit out of a "Donald" event if it stops in my town. F*ck those guys.

Anyone with little kids knows who the real Lion's Guard is.

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[BlueK]

Swish.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trum...Z9Cs4.facebook

Seriously, Trump is a fascist. The evidence is piling up that deliberately staged the Chicago disturbance. He said the Chicago PD recommended he cancel it which has been proven to be a lie. The Chicago PD denied that and said Trump never talked with them. He knew exactly what was going to happen having organized it at a very liberal university in downtown Chicago where he would be extremely unpopular with the locals -- mostly very liberal students and African Americans and Hispanics. Also, some reports say that unlike other Trump events, this one made little to no effort to not allow anti-Trump people to enter the arena. They wouldn't have been hard to spot as most of them were decked out in anti-Trump shirts, pro-Sanders shirts, or carrying anti-Trump signs. Trump's evil ploy was to allow everyone to enter then shake things up by announcing he wasn't showing up, leaving happy protesters and enraged supporters in an enclosed space.

This kind of SHIT is what makes Trump so evil and dangerous. He doesn't give a F*ck that many hundreds could have gotten hurt. He only wanted the publicity and juice to his fascist campaign that violence would bring. Despite what idiots like Ben Carson and other apologetics may say today, I don't think there is a limit to what Trump may try to do in his quest for power. He has to be defeated. I don't want to see how he could destroy our country.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Seriously, Trump is a fascist. He deliberately staged the Chicago disturbance. He knew exactly what was going to happen and he never planned to actually speak there. Also, some reports say that unlike other Trump events, this one made little to no effort to allow anti-Trump people to enter the arena. They wouldn't have been hard to spot as most of them were decked out in anti-Trump shirts, pro-Sanders shirts, or carrying anti-Trump signs. Trump's evil ploy was to allow everyone to enter then shake things up by announcing he wasn't showing up, leaving happy protesters and enraged supporters in an enclosed space.

This kind of SHIT is what makes Trump so evil and dangerous. He doesn't give a F*ck that many hundreds could have gotten hurt. He only wanted the publicity and juice to his fascist campaign that violence would bring. Despite what idiots like Ben Carson and other apologetics may say today, I don't think there is a limit to what Trump may try to do in his quest for power. He has to be defeated. I don't want to see how he could destroy our country.

You can settle down -- there's no way that Trump will win the general. No way. His broadcast news enablers will turn on him once he gets the nomination. His negatives are huge and they'll only grow.

[Northwestcoug]

No, Cruz has actually been winning states and was getting close in others. Rubio won one state -- Minnesota. I could kind of understand staying in through March 5, but that batch of primaries showed that Cruz was ascendant and Rubio was hardly even a marginal candidate.

You're missing my point. Rubio has/had every right to stay in the race. I don't like the animosity towards him just because people think he is allowing Trump to win, as if Rubio's presence in the race is the only reason keeping Cruz from leading Trump in the delegate count.

[BlueK]

You can settle down -- there's no way that Trump will win the general. No way. His broadcast news enablers will turn on him once he gets the nomination. His negatives are huge and they'll only grow.

I agree he eventually loses, which I'm happy about. Just thinking about him makes me very angry though.

[BlueK]

You're missing my point. Rubio has/had every right to stay in the race. I don't like the animosity towards him just because people think he is allowing Trump to win, as if Rubio's presence in the race is the only reason keeping Cruz from leading Trump in the delegate count.

Yes, Rubio had the right to stay in. Still, his staying in this long has enabled Trump. I don't have any animosity toward Rubio though. I understand it from his side, but the party as a whole would be better off today if he'd gotten out.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

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[BlueK]

I agree he eventually loses, which I'm happy about. Just thinking about him makes me very angry though.

And I'll point out that my hardline anti-Trump stance has zero percent to do with how many times he's been divorced. It's 100% about his authoritarian, anti-liberty approach and ideas, his complete lack of respect for the Constitution, and his extremely idiotic economic plans he's floated out there.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

You're missing my point. Rubio has/had every right to stay in the race. I don't like the animosity towards him just because people think he is allowing Trump to win, as if Rubio's presence in the race is the only reason keeping Cruz from leading Trump in the delegate count.

Trump has a delegate lead because he keeps on getting that 35% plurality which appears to be his ceiling. All of the other voters -- Kasich, Rubio and Cruz voters will either not vote or vote for the non-Trump candidate. Head to head polls seem to indicate that Trump's support maxes out at between 40-45% of the GOP primary voters. What that doesn't take into account are the hillbillies that come out of the woodwork in these open primary states that aren't normally GOP primary voters.

You're missing my point about Idaho. Idaho has a winner take all feature that is triggered if someone gets 50%. Cruz got 48% of the state because Rubio insists on staying in after it has become obvious that all he's doing is preventing Cruz from getting a bigger proportion of the vote and is sometimes actually giving Trump delegates. It happened in Idaho and could have happened in Utah (assuming Rubio drops out tomorrow).

You want another example? TEXAS. If Cruz gets an extra 6-7 points in Texas, he wins the entire state. You know who campaigned hard in Texas? Rubio. You know who benefited from Rubio's campaigning in Texas? Trump -- he received 48 delegates.

[Uncle Ted]

No, Cruz has actually been winning states and was getting close in others. Rubio won one state -- Minnesota. I could kind of understand staying in through March 5, but that batch of primaries showed that Cruz was ascendant and Rubio was hardly even a marginal candidate.

Not to mention, Rubio is essentially tied with Cruz in his home state of Florida... and being killed by Trump. Rubio can't win his home state so it is over for him. Cruz, at least, won his home state. All Rubio is doing now is splitting the "anyone but Trump" vote.




If Rubio dropped out and endorsed Cruz then there might be a chance beating Drumpf in FL. There would be a better chance of Kasich beating Drumpf in Ohio. It could also help Cruz win in Illinois and Missouri. With Rubio in there is a good chance that will win FL, IL, and MO (winner-takes-all states). Also, he will most likely end up winning most of the delegates in NC.

[Uncle Ted]

You want another example? TEXAS. If Cruz gets an extra 6-7 points in Texas, he wins the entire state. You know who campaigned hard in Texas? Rubio. You know who benefited from Rubio's campaigning in Texas? Trump -- he received 48 delegates.

Yep, good point, Cruz won 43.8% of the vote in his home state. If he got to 50% Trump would have received nothing.

[byu71]

I watched the Race for the Whitehouse Lincoln vs Douglas on CNN. Since I am not as bright as the rest of you, I learned a lot of things I wasn't aware of.

1) I knew Lincoln was in the House but didn't know only 1 term. It was 11 years later when he first ran for President.

2) I didn't know honest Abe wasn't so honest in getting the republican nomination. Cruz probably learned the printing up false documents from Abe. He packed the convention by printing false tickets and having the convention full when legitimate delegates tried to get in.

3) It was actually a brokered convention. Abe won on the thrid ballot by bribing some very corrupt politicians. As President Obama's campaign manager said, whatever devious things Abe did to get the nomination and Presidency, it was a good thing.

4) Two democrats ran thus splitting up the democrat party. Abe won with only 40% of the popular vote.

5) There was an assination attempt planned that was thwarted on Abes way to the inauguration.

It hasn't lessened my admiration and respect for Abe. It just means I guess I have to cut a little more slack to current politicians and not expect as much out of them as I have in the past.


I thought Trump made some a good point on the Sunday shows by asking why the media is calling it violent rallies when no one has been hurt. Then like the dumb jackass he is, he makes me think less of him again by tweeting his people show upat Sanders rallies.

Please, please let this be decided at the convention. I can't stomach Trump or Cruz. Trust me, not all Kasich or Rubio supporters would turn to Cruz in a head to head.