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  • Originally posted by creekster View Post
    not just bad judgment, but consistently selfish bad judgment. The only thing she cares about is herself. Nothing else matters. Not national security, not families of those killed in service ot the government, nothing at all. To her, it is so important to win that all else falls away. So if she wants to keep ultra top secret information on her home PC she will, because her importance transcends every other consideration. I think she would be the type of leader that might look pretty good for a couple of years or so, but her leadership would be rotten at the core and would, in the long run, hurt us as a nation more than we would ever guess at the time.

    By comparison, Trump is a buffoon, and he is also and egomaniac, but he is open about his limitations and I do think he would work with people and rely on others for help. To the extent he causes problems for us it would be open and obvious at the time. I can not stand Trump, to be honest, but I prefer him to Hillary.
    What limitations is he open about?!

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    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
      What limitations is he open about?!
      If he is to be believed, he acknowledges he would have to rely on teams of 'experts' to assist in trade negotiations, planning and building his wall, and doing all the other things, both good and (mostly) asinine that he proposes to do. I take that as an egomaniac's way of saying he doesn't really know what he is talking about.
      PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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      • Ha. You guys are nuts.

        Hillary shows bad judgment? Absolutely. But we are talking different universes here. Hillary with all her faults probably has more good judgment in her pinky than Trump. Hell, my cat has more judgment than Trump.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          Ha. You guys are nuts.

          Hillary shows bad judgment? Absolutely. But we are talking different universes here. Hillary with all her faults probably has more good judgment in her pinky than Trump. Hell, my cat has more judgment than Trump.
          You think we're nuts? I think you're deluded. I will not be put in a position of defending trump. But despite his buffoonery, nothing he has promised to do is as offensive to me as what Hillary has actually done from a position of power. Moreover, trump will be restrained by the limits of the system to some degree but Hillary has demonstarted she will act outside of the system as it suits her. Yes, they are in different universes. But I prefer to watch a clown rail Against the system to the pernicious and absolute self interest of Clinton. Ymmv.
          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Ha. You guys are nuts.

            Hillary shows bad judgment? Absolutely. But we are talking different universes here. Hillary with all her faults probably has more good judgment in her pinky than Trump. Hell, my cat has more judgment than Trump.
            Yeah, I would vote for your cat before I would vote for Trump (and Hillary).

            Hey, your cat should be running... Beats the hell out of all the jokers currently running.

            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • Like it or not you have to have something going for you to get where Trump has business wise. He couldn't be a fool and be where he is in the polls.

              My hope would be if I ended up having to vote for him is the weight of the job would cause him to be serious and surround himself with great people and make sound decisions. Yes, it would be a hope, but based on the fact I am sure he didn't run his company like the wild and wacky guy he is on the campaign trail.

              There are plenty of people who would love to have Hillary, Lieing and getting ahead politically and no ethics are kind of the calling card of a politician. Bill and Hillary are great politicians. I think the press and the dems understand that and why the majority of them like her anyway.

              She has said she will be Obama's third term. For me, that is scary.

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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Ha. You guys are nuts.

                Hillary shows bad judgment? Absolutely. But we are talking different universes here. Hillary with all her faults probably has more good judgment in her pinky than Trump. Hell, my cat has more judgment than Trump.
                More eyerolls and conclusory statements here. Part and parcel with you.

                What are all these cases of bad judgment with Trump that you're talking about? Are you talking about the wacky things he's said during his campaign? Obviously you're clueless of how Trump operates. It keeps the media spotlight on him because it gooses his campaign and maintains a high level of publicity for him. Go read Scott Adams' blog if you want to understand what Trump is doing.

                Aside from that, how do his wacky statements compare to Hillary's role in the "regime change" in Libya which she and Sid Blumenthal thought would create a new "Clinton Doctrine" that would propel her to the White House.

                Just because you say something doesn't make it so.
                Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                • Not to , but my preference of Hillary over Trump consists of two principles:

                  1) Protest vote, pure and simple. The current state of the republican party is embarrassing, much more so than the democratic party. Over the course of a generation, they have allowed crackpot radio personalities and ignorant politicians to become spokespeople for the party in the eyes of much of the nation. The current majority support for Trump is the end product of the constant liberal bashing. He is the personification of what many conservative voters seem to relish; a loud mouth who yells all the right things, appealing to the lowest common denominator.

                  If Trump can do so well in the nomination process and in all likelihood win the nomination, the process is completely broken. Fix it, republicans, because it is embarrassing. Until you do, I will vote for the democratic nominee. I'll consider returning to the fold once you have a nominating process that doesn't favor an embarrassment like Trump over 10+ other nominees.

                  2) Hillary is the devil I know. Her email problem is potentially very serious, she probably screwed up in Benghazi, she likes power, and Bill is embarrassing. But despite the CONSTANT attention by Fox News (seriously, every time Fox News is on the gym TV they are either yelling about Benghazi or emails), I am still unsure how those automatically disqualify her for the presidency. Until then, she's been a state senator and secretary of state. That experience in and of itself trumps Trump. And, I just can't maintain the hate towards the Clintons that Limbaugh et al have fomented for 20+ years.
                  "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                  "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                  - SeattleUte

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                  • Who cares if trump or
                    Clinton is worse? That's like trying to decide if Utah or Wazzu are the worst athletic depts of the PAC12. They are both terrible so it doesn't matter.

                    I won't vote for either of them regardless. If it's trump or sanders, I'll vote sanders. If it's Cruz or Clinton, I'll vote Cruz. If it's Clinton or trump, I'll vote third party.
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      Ha. You guys are nuts.

                      Hillary shows bad judgment? Absolutely. But we are talking different universes here. Hillary with all her faults probably has more good judgment in her pinky than Trump. Hell, my cat has more judgment than Trump.
                      LOL. When you are arguing with people who think Trump would make a better president than hillary, you've already lost the argument.

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                      • Originally posted by Applejack View Post
                        LOL. When you are arguing with people who think Trump would make a better president than hillary, you've already lost the argument.
                        A scintillating rationale. Very persuasive.
                        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                        • Anyone else>Cruz>Lebowski's Cat>>>>>>>Trump>>Hillary>>Sanders
                          One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

                          Woot

                          I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
                          SU

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                          • Originally posted by Applejack View Post
                            LOL. When you are arguing with people who think Trump would make a better president than hillary, you've already lost the argument.
                            Definitely worth giving consideration. Are you a supporter of most of the Obama policies?

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                            • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

                              2) Hillary is the devil I know. Her email problem is potentially very serious, she probably screwed up in Benghazi, she likes power, and Bill is embarrassing. But despite the CONSTANT attention by Fox News (seriously, every time Fox News is on the gym TV they are either yelling about Benghazi or emails), I am still unsure how those automatically disqualify her for the presidency. Until then, she's been a state senator and secretary of state. That experience in and of itself trumps Trump. And, I just can't maintain the hate towards the Clintons that Limbaugh et al have fomented for 20+ years.
                              The email problem is felonious, if true. If it is as likely as appears that she was receiving and sending uber top secret intelligence on an unprotected server, she is guilty of a felony. Petraeus' career and potential political aspirations were shattered for what he did. Why should it be any less for Hillary? Maybe the Clinton machinery is powerful enough to quash any criminal responsibility for Hillary, but, regardless of what happens, her conduct should disqualify her for the presidency, IMO.

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                              • Originally posted by creekster View Post
                                A scintillating rationale. Very persuasive.
                                Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                                Definitely worth giving consideration. Are you a supporter of most of the Obama policies?
                                Nice try, you two. I refuse to engage in Pro-Trump shenanigans. Next, you'll argue that BYU is better at football than Utah! LOL! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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