Iranian Blogger Executed

[MindfulCoug]

Mindful, I think you are kicking some booty here.

So, how do you see this playing out? It has obviously become an international issue, and it is quite timely that Obama reaches out to Iran and Iran starts up the reactors and arrests an American journalist. How does it play out? I suspect she is released here in the next month and sent back to the U.S., perhaps followed by some rapproachment. Bottom line: no way this young woman does more than six months.

Also, how was Obama's video message received a few months back? Did people actually get to see it?

Hmm...The eight years sentence means they have grasped a handful of evidence .So if it diminishes to six months ,it will be an act of mercy for the sake of political correctness .Just a guess though.

[MindfulCoug]

That's some pretty crappy hijab. No wonder they arrested the little hussie.

I approve her hijab .It is modest to me .

[wuapinmon]

I could not care less about your unsupervised mouth product ,but the notion that you have to insult the most prominent Islamic figure to prove your point speaks volume.

I worship your "unsupervised mouth product" line. That is a classic, and I'm not making fun; I think that the diversity of perspective, no matter how much I disagree with you, that you bring to this site is excellent. I'd much rather argue with someone from Iran about their country than rehash the same old stuff with Americans. You provide us with the other side, and that's invaluable in a dialogue sense. Now, as much as I appreciate your presence, I can't say the same for your defense of your government. You'll notice in my post that I called both Mohammad and Jesus the same insult. I'm proving a point that in a free country, I can say those things without fear of government imposition of penalty. Certainly, my peers can choose to ostracize me for disrespecting their beliefs, but that's an entirely different thing than my worrying that the police are going to beat, arrest, and jail me because I called Mohammad, or Jesus, or Obama a bastard (I'm sure the inclusion of Obama next to two religious figures will fill some posters with glee--stand down; if Bush were still president, I would've used his name).

There are technically different perspectives in this regard .Your interpretation of freedom is totally absurd to me,but it does not mean that i would have to offend you for being wrong.

Ok. You have the high ground when it comes to politeness. Agreed. I do not understand your version of freedom, because you are not free. If you were, you could not secretly worry that your comments on this board might get you in trouble, as I suspect that you do, because there is no way that a person of your obvious intelligence can support despots like los that rule your nation. So, please, contribute to CUF what it means to be "free" in an Iranian-Muslim sense. By all means, we need a different perspective on what freedom is, since we seem to want to bring it/impose it on the world.

In my Islamic belief system we all are here for a mission .We have been given the tools,the time and the opportunity to fulfill our mission .The more tools or power you are given ,the better you are expected to perform .So there is no place for any of us in this scenario to practice a full scale of authority on our God given powers. which generally means ,we have no right to abuse this power ,be it insulting or assaulting or ...etc.

So insulting ,as i mentioned in the other post is considered as sin ,(no matter who the object is) and needs to be taken seriously.
I think you would agree with me ,speaking about taking consequences of our actions and stuff...in one of your post.

I do agree with you that insulting someone can, but is not always, a sin. Tell me though, when your countrymen get in large groups and chant "Death to America" is this not a sin of insulting that should be punished? I also agree that 'taking' consequences for our actions is necessary, but I think that the consequences should come from society and not from religion imposing penalty via the government. Allah is not in charge of your government. Jesus is not in charge of ours. Until either of the two, or the Mahdi, or Ahura Mazda comes back to rule and reign, then we simply must recognize that government by men is flawed. You have to see this. You cannot seriously tell me that you think that the Ayatollah and his council of clerics are 100% inspired by Allah at all times; that every decision they make is at one with Allah's will.

To help you sleep better tonight ,i did not vote for president Ahmadinejad and i will never do .He won a democratic election by a majority of votes and become Iran president .Do I agree with what he is doing ? No. Do i have to take uncivilized actions to object his ideas to be considered as freedom fighter?? Hell,no!

Apparently, ma'am, your definition of "uncivilized" and mine differ greatly. That you can't speak your mind freely about your elected leaders saddens me. However, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and start seeing your defense of them as a kind of steganographic critique of their policies and your true feelings since your government would imprison you for speaking your mind.

How credulous you have to be to believe that you are not governed by ideologists.There is no real way of practicing secularism .The only difference lies in ideological principals.Being enraptured by the "freedom" you are being given ,its futile to negotiate with you about this though. We are both governed by men .You have let them govern you with men created law ,and we let them govern us with implementing God created law.Because it is what human actually deserves it.

So you are absolutely certain of the provenance of the Hadiths? Certain? Because it's sudden appearance in written form 200 years AFTER the prophet's death/ascension into heaven (which was it?) might give a rational person pause. You really think that the law you live under is given by God? Really?

If it won't get you executed, take a look at this website's fairly-objective examination of inconsistencies with the Koran. It doesn't even look at the Hadiths, which is the basis for most of your putative "God-given" law.

Its always entertaining to see people dropping pompous post . IF your existence has not already given you enough proof to prove God or his envoys,i am sorry to break it to you ,but you are lost .You can dedicate your rest of life insulting him and his delegates.

I believe in God. I think we worship the same one, in fact. But, your version of how God is/does things doesn't correspond to mine. I think that your culture has let a backwards tribe of misogynistic warriors run roughshod over one of the greatest civilizations the world ever knew. Those days are gone, and given the mindset of the people now, probably never to return.

You have talked about Jesus being in power!It interesting that your words keep condemning each other restlessly .What would the Jesus administration be doing that its so appealing to you ? Would not be the same people running the government? or you would PCR Jesus ,so he will do all the job himself? Were not his own companions who betrayed him?So what type of government you are waiting for?

When Jesus wants to come back, he can govern all he wants. I find it fascinating that someone who is Shi'a would talk about companions betraying a leader. What is it again that divides Shi'as and Sunnis? Do you or do you not accept the caliphate of Abu Bakr? How do the civil wars amongst the Meccans leading up to the Umayyids follow the fates that Allah places around your neck once a year? Does that make Allah the author of war and death? It must suck for you that that Mecca and Medina are in the hands of those apostate Sunnis.

About all this Persia is not Iran fuss.... If you do a little more homework you would realize that , had Persian been eliminated, we would not have today been in possession of such valuable Islamic masterpieces as the Mathnawi of Mawlana, the Gulistan of Sa'di, the poetical works of Hafiz, Nizami and hundreds of other beautiful literary works which are filled to the brim with Islamic and Qur'anic ideas and have made Persian an immortal and inseparable part of the Islamic heritage.

My point is that because of Islam, Persia has been eliminated. Muslim Iran is not Persia. You are second-fiddle, forever, to a backwards people. You are post-colonial. And your nation will wallow in misery until throws off all vestiges of colonization. 150,000 professional Iranians emigrate from Iran every year. Why?

I am not necessarily glorified by the emperors and their colonization ambition but rather with humanity and respect they would show toward all human being . Do a little more home work about Iran and Islam mutual relation ,then we can talk about it later.

Ma'am, I've read hundreds of books and articles about the subject, and I know quite a lot about what Islam has done to Iran. I know that you make the followers of Ahura Mazda wear cloths on their clothing to mark them, that you do not let them or the Baha'i attend tertiary schooling, and that your very ancestors all once venerated fire as a symbol of God. Guneh shkaste sad hazar bad

قد تجد السلام في الأماكن القريبة

سلامت

[TripletDaddy]

Interesting blog by George Steph on his last-second jaunt to Iran to interview President Ahmadinejad.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009...y-to-tehr.html

Of note, Roxana Saberi has announced that she will begin a hunger strike tomorrow in protest of her incarceration. Also, her parents provided some more details surrounding the woman's arrest, which seems to be about 100% more info than the Iranian government has provided thus far.

Interesting that the father claims that Roxana's "confession" was invalid because it was signed out of the presence of counsel. Is this a rule in Iran? Does a lawyer have to be present? And if so, isn't that fairly simply to ascertain at her trial? If such a rule exists, how was her confession admissible?

Has anyone found any links to articles that outline the case against her? mindfulcoug keeps saying that this woman is busted for badmouthing the government. The government is saying that she is busted for reporting without a license. The woman is saying that she was arrested for buying alcohol. When is the police going to release an official statement? You would think they would have done this already.

[LA Ute]

Has anyone found any links to articles that outline the case against her? mindfulcoug keeps saying that this woman is busted for badmouthing the government. The government is saying that she is busted for reporting without a license. The woman is saying that she was arrested for buying alcohol. When is the police going to release an official statement? You would think they would have done this already.

The only thing I'll say about Iran, TD, is that I can't go there.

[MindfulCoug]

Interesting blog by George Steph on his last-second jaunt to Iran to interview President Ahmadinejad.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009...y-to-tehr.html

Of note, Roxana Saberi has announced that she will begin a hunger strike tomorrow in protest of her incarceration. Also, her parents provided some more details surrounding the woman's arrest, which seems to be about 100% more info than the Iranian government has provided thus far.

Interesting that the father claims that Roxana's "confession" was invalid because it was signed out of the presence of counsel. Is this a rule in Iran? Does a lawyer have to be present? And if so, isn't that fairly simply to ascertain at her trial? If such a rule exists, how was her confession admissible?

Has anyone found any links to articles that outline the case against her? mindfulcoug keeps saying that this woman is busted for badmouthing the government. The government is saying that she is busted for reporting without a license. The woman is saying that she was arrested for buying alcohol. When is the police going to release an official statement? You would think they would have done this already.

Excellent! Now I know "what" I said about "whom" to "who" and "why"?

Not that i expect you to actually read my post ,but as a prolific thread creator ,you could set up a thread in Roxana's honor to prevent such huge confusion.

[MindfulCoug]

The only thing I'll say about Iran, TD, is that I can't go there.

Does it mean we have to stop begging you to ????

[MindfulCoug]

I'll respond to this garbage later.

I worship your "unsupervised mouth product" line. That is a classic, and I'm not making fun;

Glad ,you finally did take some thing out of that garbage.

I think that the diversity of perspective, no matter how much I disagree with you, that you bring to this site is excellent. I'd much rather argue with someone from Iran about their country than rehash the same old stuff with Americans. You provide us with the other side, and that's invaluable in a dialogue sense. Now, as much as I appreciate your presence, I can't say the same for your defense of your government.

Its exactly the reason why i see no point of sticking to old approaches,appreciating the fact that we now (thanks to the internet) are able to hear from the other side of the story,with no annoying media interferer.

This post however ,is not going to be a full-text answer for some reasons but i will try to get back to you and make sure that none of your point would be abandoned. May be in a new thread with a fresh start.

Ok. You have the high ground when it comes to politeness. Agreed. I do not understand your version of freedom, because you are not free. If you were, you could not secretly worry that your comments on this board might get you in trouble, as I suspect that you do, because there is no way that a person of your obvious intelligence can support despots like los that rule your nation. So, please, contribute to CUF what it means to be "free" in an Iranian-Muslim sense. By all means, we need a different perspective on what freedom is, since we seem to want to bring it/impose it on the world.

I am going to ask you to read my answer later ,after we finished with this week business ,(MIL fourth death anniversary).

Guneh shkaste sad hazar bad

قد تجد السلام في الأماكن القريبة
سلامت

Just a little correction ,if you don't mind : به سلامت rather than سلامت