The Police Brutality Thread

[Bo Diddley]

100%. this is the entire problem and it is structural. there is absolutely zero use for public unions in 2020. good cops circle the wagons around bad ones. zero transparency, zero accountability. there is no solution to this problem within this generation and probably the next.

also, you're not going to love this video:

Excellent take. The sins of the parents will be answered upon the heads of the children down to the forth generation.

[frank ryan]

100%. this is the entire problem and it is structural. there is absolutely zero use for public unions in 2020. good cops circle the wagons around bad ones. zero transparency, zero accountability. there is no solution to this problem within this generation and probably the next.

also, you're not going to love this video:

I don't know that there is no use, but I do know that FOP etc are most powerful labor unions in the country. And they are protected by the GOP and democrats alike. Recall Scott Walker gutting public sector unions except cops and firefighters, because those folks tend to vote red.

I don't think cops should have any protections that aren't available to other public sector workers in their area.

[SCcoug]

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[Uncle Ted]

I guess I was wrong about the Dems... Some are actually seem smart once in a while because they consider the facts:

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[falafel]

Minneapolis City council commits to disbanding their police department.

https://twitter.com/theappeal/status...238329344?s=19

[BigPiney]

Minneapolis City council commits to disbanding their police department.

https://twitter.com/theappeal/status...238329344?s=19

I don't really understand what that means. Seems like they will just be doing a major re-org and re-branding. No way they are just going to have no Police.

[myboynoah]

The nexus between coronavirus and protests: The virus ‘was the kindling, and the police brutality lit the fire.’

The protests mean exposure to the virus and potentially accelerating its spread. The virus has killed more than 109,000 Americans, including a disproportionate number of blacks. Yet the Smiths and tens of thousands of others have chosen to take the risk.

Far from being separate crises, the deadly epidemic of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, and the sudden explosion of street protests against police violence are intimately connected, according to protesters and public and mental health professionals.

“People are so pent-up with frustration from being inside for so long,” said Patricia Newton, chief executive and medical director of the Black Psychiatrists of America, which has about 2,000 members. “That was the kindling, and the police brutality lit the fire. People tell me, ‘I need to get out of the house,’ and ‘I’m having cabin fever.’ When people feel hopeless, they feel they have nothing to lose and caution goes to the wind.”

For Shae and Walt Smith, the decision to leave home and walk among strangers for the first time in months was calculated, the result of a thorough discussion about what lay ahead for their two young sons as black men in America.

In Columbia, Md., Jada Smith made the pivot more impulsively. On the day a Minneapolis police officer drove his knee into George Floyd’s neck until he died, Smith had barely left her house in three months.

Smith, 23, broke her self-isolation, joining teeming, screaming, shoulder-to-shoulder protesters who packed streets north of the White House.

“F--- coronavirus. Who cares about coronavirus?” she said. “You can’t even walk out the door without being afraid for your skin color. This is more serious than what the coronavirus was. This is our lives out here. This is our children’s lives.”

[Uncle Ted]

Minneapolis City council commits to disbanding their police department.

https://twitter.com/theappeal/status...238329344?s=19

I don't really understand what that means. Seems like they will just be doing a major re-org and re-branding. No way they are just going to have no Police.

It is pretty simple... The Dems will say they will do the opposite of whatever the GOP'ers say they are going to do:

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But why stop at just the police department? They should defund the entire city government. Come on you Dems... This is your chance to fix things! (Of course, it has been their chance for a very long time in Minneapolis.)

[Jeff Lebowski]

It is pretty simple... The Dems will say they will do the opposite of whatever the GOP'ers say they are going to do:

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But why stop at just the police department? They should defund the entire city government. Come on you Dems... This is your chance to fix things! (Of course, it has been their chance for a very long time in Minneapolis.)

#whataboutdems
#whataboutbiden

[swampfrog]

I don't really understand what that means. Seems like they will just be doing a major re-org and re-branding. No way they are just going to have no Police.

It would be wrong to assume that all protesters actually want the same thing. Many (maybe most) are hoping for reform, but some mean exactly what they say. This has played out before on the smaller stage of The Evergreen State college in Olympia, WA. Well and fully documented by Benjamin Boyce (student at the college at the time it was happening to was employe by the campus audio/visual/media resource center). Smaller documentary (but more visceral) by Mike Nayna available on youtube.

Eric Weinstein release a video about the idea recently from a Jewish perspective that provides some historical context. His brother Bret was front and center of the Evergreen situation.

Eric also recently tweeted:

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To understand what is going on right now it is crucial to understand Critical Race Theory, and how it manifests itself when it's allowed power outside of the theoretical. The assumption of a moral imperative narrative by a critical mass has left many societies in the dust.

[BigPiney]

It would be wrong to assume that all protesters actually want the same thing. Many (maybe most) are hoping for reform, but some mean exactly what they say. This has played out before on the smaller stage of The Evergreen State college in Olympia, WA. Well and fully documented by Benjamin Boyce (student at the college at the time it was happening to was employe by the campus audio/visual/media resource center). Smaller documentary (but more visceral) by Mike Nayna available on youtube.

Eric Weinstein release a video about the idea recently from a Jewish perspective that provides some historical context. His brother Bret was front and center of the Evergreen situation.

Eric also recently tweeted:

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To understand what is going on right now it is crucial to understand Critical Race Theory, and how it manifests itself when it's allowed power outside of the theoretical. The assumption of a moral imperative narrative by a critical mass has left many societies in the dust.

Wow, that guy comes off as a smug asshole.

I will look in to Critical Race theory, but social science becomes boring to me really quickly, so I won't promise much

[swampfrog]

Wow, that guy comes off as a smug asshole.

Hard to judge from a single tweet, but he's one of the more interesting voices to me. The longer version is his 25 minute video.

[swampfrog]

New York Times article on the Minneapolis situation.

Looming above the mayor on a stage, a woman with a microphone asked him if he would commit on the spot to defunding the Minneapolis Police Department.“It is a yes or no,” she said, instructing the crowd to be quiet and reminding them that the mayor is up for re-election next year. “And if he says no, guess what we’re going to do next year,” she said, adding an expletive for emphasis.


She then handed the microphone to Mr. Frey, who said in a barely audible voice muffled by his face mask, “I do not support the full abolition of the police.”


With that, the protesters began their chants of “Go home, Jacob, go home!” and “Shame! Shame!”

[Flystripper]

I am willing to listen to cutting funding and redistribution of funds to other social programs to help the community (ie counseling, drug rehab, education, training etc) but no cops at all is not going to work.

[BigPiney]

Hard to judge from a single tweet, but he's one of the more interesting voices to me. The longer version is his 25 minute video.

I'll check it out later this week, thanks.

I am not always careful with my with words, but words matter. If people are clamoring to Defund the Police. That is what I hear. And they sound like people without a reasonable solution.

Like the protesters that wanted the mayor of Minneapolis commit to defunding. That would be completely irresponsible for a mayor to commit to that. It's dumb.