adoption without the fathers consent.....

[wuapinmon]

Who ever said he was wearing a condom? They had a relationship that was sexual and SHIT happens. But the great thing was JAKE was willing and is willing to raise HIS son. We all know how babies are made right?

Yes, but three minutes = condom.

[San Juan Sun]

You are right I don't.

Forgive me if I sound cranky. I respect you and don't mean to offend.

[Get Baby Jack Back]

Yes, but three minutes = condom.

How do you know everyone's sex life is the same as yours?

[wuapinmon]

What would you do if someone took your son away? YOU WOULD BE DEVASTATED RIGHT? Would you just let someone say, sorry you didn't file a piece of paper on time?

I wouldn't chingar somebody without protection if I weren't married to them. But, that's just me.

[wuapinmon]

How do you know everyone's sex life is the same as yours?

I don't use condoms; people who use condoms for birth control are called "parents."

[New Mexican Disaster]

Forgive me if I sound cranky. I respect you and don't mean to offend.

It's quite alright. I think that this is an issue that hits lose to home for a lot of people. It seems to me that a lot of the laws need reform and I think cases like baby Jack will be the way that gets done.

I also agree that it is overboard to blame the LDS church for it. But sometimes PR is the first thing to go when you are fighting for something you are passionate about.

[San Juan Sun]

This is beside the fact about the LDS Church. You really are missing the big picture. The fact of the matter is there is a father who wants his son and will do anything he can to have a relationship and get him back.

You made it about the LDS church. I don't like you maligning my church. I don't really care about your cause, beyond passing interest, because there are much bigger fish to fry in the world. I would certainly agree that the law doesn't seem fair, but you lose all goodwill with me when you nonsensically insult the church.

[Get Baby Jack Back]

It's quite alright. I think that this is an issue that hits lose to home for a lot of people. It seems to me that a lot of the laws need reform and I think cases like baby Jack will be the way that gets done.

I also agree that it is overboard to blame the LDS church for it. But sometimes PR is the first thing to go when you are fighting for something you are passionate about.

Unfortuntately it is cases like ours that will change the law one day. It's a sad thing we have to go through just to get the law changed.

We DO NOT blame the LDS church for this. Sorry if that's the way it was portrayed.

[San Juan Sun]

We DO NOT blame the LDS church for this. Sorry if that's the way it was portrayed.

So now you're back to not blaming the church. This is making my head hurt. I'm retiring from this thread.

[Get Baby Jack Back]

So now you're back to not blaming the church. This is making my head hurt. I'm retiring from this thread.

I never said it was the church or had anything to do with the church. I just said the laws are set up very pro family, which is in part due to the LDS Faith.

I think traditional families are wonderful, but as we all know divorce rate is higher than ever and traditional families are becoming less and less.

[wuapinmon]

Unfortuntately it is cases like ours that will change the law one day. It's a sad thing we have to go through just to get the law changed.

We DO NOT blame the LDS church for this. Sorry if that's the way it was portrayed.

Stop using the passive voice about your actions. It wasn't "portrayed," you "portrayed" it by your first post, clearly blaming the LDS Church's control of Utah government for the issues your virile brother is facing. Any normal reader would catch your inference without needing footnotes, so it's disingenuous to claim that you were not blaming the Church. If you want to blame the Church, fine. Own it. But, don't act like you didn't make the accusation when someone calls BS on you for doing so.

[Coach McGuirk]

Who ever said he was wearing a condom? They had a relationship that was sexual and SHIT happens. But the great thing was JAKE was willing and is willing to raise HIS son. We all know how babies are made right?

Maybe he shouldn't of had a relationship that was sexual with an alleged accomplice to murder. SHIT happens with that too.

[DU Ute]

Who ever said he was wearing a condom? They had a relationship that was sexual and SHIT happens. But the great thing was JAKE was willing and is willing to raise HIS son. We all know how babies are made right?

"Dad, where did I come from? "
"Well, son. Your Mother and I had a relationship that was sexual and, you know, SHIT happens."

[old_gregg]

shit can't happen when using the correct formations. gravity works, folks.

[wuapinmon]

shit can't happen when using the correct formations. gravity works, folks.

I beg to differ. I've got three shit happeneds that demonstrate otherwise.