Michelle Bachmann's Head is a Novelty Fishbowl

[Jacob]

There's nothing "American" abt what she's doing - she's just promoting herself. There is no one in America who has dealt more substantively with the issues raised by the Tea Party than Paul Ryan has - and he's giving the Republican response, what do we need her response for other than for her self-aggrandizement?

Bachmann is executing a petty, back-stabbing maneuver here.

For the first time in the modern history of the SOTU, an office-holding member of one of the two Parties has presumed to offer a response independent of his/her party and for no effing good reason.

...and then Bachmann will stand up with her dumb glassy eyes, mime a bunch of cliches, possibly say something incendiary and almost certainly give the media something to talk about other than the very substantive points Ryan will undoubtedly be making.

This isn't a peevish thing for me, I think it has real implications.

Bachmann's act will have measurable impact on the quality of the public discussion immediately following the SOTU.

Oxcoug. I'm wondering what you now think about the "measurable impact" that the "dumb" "back-stabbing" "first time in modern history" "petty" "idiotic" and "self aggrandizing" short response was? I don't follow the 24-hour news sources so I can't say. I suspect there has been not much impact.

Also, I wonder if your criticisms of Bachman also apply to Rand Paul who gave his own response to the SOTU: [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0B8--qw1ws"]YouTube - Sen. Rand Paul: State of the Union Response[/nomedia]

I'm guessing your objection only applies to video responses, and not written responses? Like:
John Cornyn's response:
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/state_...union-address/

Or Rubio's:
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...|+tampabay.com)

Those back-stabbing, self promoting dumb-dumbs.


Mitt Romney has also offered his own response, and will do so on video tonight on Hannity. Lots of other republicans did so on video last night. And Fox didn't even cary the Bachman response. Did any of the networks?

[dabrockster]

http://www.politicususa.com/en/olbermann-teabagger

Now Brock, don't let Olberman scare you. Close your eyes and pretend it's Glenn Beck telling you the same thing. It'll be easier for you that way. Imagine it's Brother Glenn giving you the date, the network and the reporter who first said "teabagger" on national TV and meant a political movement when he said it.

BTW this took 10.2 seconds to find.

That is your freaking source?? Olberman?? Again. SHOW ME where he called himself a teabagger in any way. His sentence was this..

take a teabag, put it in an envelope, and mail it to the White House.’ He added, ‘reteaparty.com has a headline Teabag the Fools in D.C. on tax day.

If you can't see the difference or are to blinded by your own desire to call a person a "Teabagger" then I can't help you...

[woot]

[ame="http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201101260007"]Fox & Friends Segment Replaces SOTU Audience Laughter And Applause With Cricket Sound Effects | Media Matters for America[/ame]

I thought this was funny. Fox News is so determined to make Obama look bad that they tried (and failed) to drown out the laughs with crickets and claimed that the jokes didn't get laughs (they both did, along with applause).

[Jacob]

Fox & Friends Segment Replaces SOTU Audience Laughter And Applause With Cricket Sound Effects | Media Matters for America

I thought this was funny. Fox News is so determined to make Obama look bad that they tried (and failed) to drown out the laughs with crickets and claimed that the jokes didn't get laughs (they both did, along with applause).

I couldn't hear the laughs in your video. So maybe they were somewhat successful in their attempt.

And high speed rail? Seriously? We're talking about high speed rail?

[RobinFinderson]

That is your freaking source?? Olberman?? Again. SHOW ME where he called himself a teabagger in any way. His sentence was this..



If you can't see the difference or are to blinded by your own desire to call a person a "Teabagger" then I can't help you...

For crying out loud, Brock, not all Tea Baggers get hung up over the use of the word 'Tea Bagger.' Some of us enjoy the term, and appreciate the humor in it. There is nothing inherently insulting about the phrase Tea Bagger, nor is there anything wrong with using it generally, since everyone knows exactly to whom it is referring. In that sense, it is a very useful word.

If, however, you are in a group where someone who is a part of the Tea Party movement objects to the use, it would be a fine PERSONAL courtesy to not use the word around that person. But it is wrong to categorically reject the phrase.

[oxcoug]

Oxcoug. I'm wondering what you now think about the "measurable impact" that the "dumb" "back-stabbing" "first time in modern history" "petty" "idiotic" and "self aggrandizing" short response was? I don't follow the 24-hour news sources so I can't say. I suspect there has been not much impact.

Also, I wonder if your criticisms of Bachman also apply to Rand Paul who gave his own response to the SOTU: YouTube - Sen. Rand Paul: State of the Union Response

I'm guessing your objection only applies to video responses, and not written responses? Like:
John Cornyn's response:
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/state_...union-address/

Or Rubio's:
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...|+tampabay.com)

Those back-stabbing, self promoting dumb-dumbs.


Mitt Romney has also offered his own response, and will do so on video tonight on Hannity. Lots of other republicans did so on video last night. And Fox didn't even cary the Bachman response. Did any of the networks?

I can't evaluate the impact right now, have no idea - but I do know that the others you've listed flat-out aren't comparable to Bachmann's response. None of them were responding on behalf of an entity which is independent of the Party they belong to, which helped each of them get elected.

Each of them is speaking to their constituents, which they are entitled to do - none is speaking on behalf of a national organization whose goals overlap and cross-cut those of the Republican Party.

[Jacob]

I can't evaluate the impact right now, have no idea - but I do know that the others you've listed flat-out aren't comparable to Bachmann's response. None of them were responding on behalf of an entity which is independent of the Party they belong to, which helped each of them get elected.

Each of them is speaking to their constituents, which they are entitled to do - none is speaking on behalf of a national organization whose goals overlap and cross-cut those of the Republican Party.

I think your being silly. Rand Paul's goals both overlap and cross-cut those of the Republican Party. Only one network carried Bachman (CNN). There has been no negative effect. And the website you first referred to said it was no big deal and most readers of that sight thought that on the whole, Bachman's speech was positive.

You over-reacted a bit. That was my objection to your comments. You reacted based on your built-in bias to the woman, who you already disdained.

[Borderline Divine]

[QUOTE=dabrockster;519922]That is your freaking source?? Olberman?? Again. SHOW ME where he called himself a teabagger in any way. His sentence was this..



If you can't see the difference or are to blinded by your own desire to call a person a "Teabagger" then I can't help you...[/QUOTE]

Having never asked for your help, I thank you nonetheless.

I confess that I had no idea you or Garth would be so deeply wounded by the term. I think Robin has the right outlook on the subject.

Gawd I love your spokeswoman, BTW. Now there's a LEADER!

[oxcoug]

I think your being silly. Rand Paul's goals both overlap and cross-cut those of the Republican Party. Only one network carried Bachman (CNN). There has been no negative effect. And the website you first referred to said it was no big deal and most readers of that sight thought that on the whole, Bachman's speech was positive.

You over-reacted a bit. That was my objection to your comments. You reacted based on your built-in bias to the woman, who you already disdained.

Mostly...bull. You act like my "built-in bias to the woman" is based on her gender, her hair color or her race. Which is obviously garbage. My "bias" isn't a "bias" at all - it's a set of conclusions based on things she has said and done in public settings, which intelligent people don't do or say in public settings.

The ex post breakdown of whether or not there was much of negative effect is meaningless from my POV. The potential was there to be a serious distraction and she had no business, as an elected Republican, in going off and shilling for some other organization on a night that is about presenting a unified party message.

As for your mischaracterization of HotAir.com's response - no. One of the site's bloggers, Ed Morrisey, who is always more sympathetic to the Palin-Bachmann types, gave it a fairly neutral and not-negative spin. The original post was from AllahPundit, the other primary blogger there, and he never really warmed to it. The site doesn't have one editorial voice.

[woot]

I couldn't hear the laughs in your video. So maybe they were somewhat successful in their attempt.

And high speed rail? Seriously? We're talking about high speed rail?

Might want to get your hearing checked then. Or perhaps your volume was too low? Either way, watch the actual replay. YouTube - The 2011 State of the Union Address YouTube - The 2011 State of the Union Address

I'm not an Obama fan either, but anyone who tries to defend Fox on this one outs themselves as dishonest hacks.

[Jacob]

Mostly...bull. You act like my "built-in bias to the woman" is based on her gender, her hair color or her race. Which is obviously garbage.

I said no such thing and didn't intend to make that implication, if I did. All I meant is that you have already made your judgement of her as an unintelligent, fundamentalist, self-promoter and that that judgment has clouded your view of her action in this case. I don't think you arrived at your judgment in any disreputable manner.

I'm not an Obama fan either, but anyone who tries to defend Fox on this one outs themselves as dishonest hacks.

I wasn't trying to defend Fox, simply pointing out that I disagreed with your statement. I do that too often and should probably save my opinions for things that I actually have some interest in.

But thanks for the suggestion. I will have my hearing checked and get some good speakers to plug into my laptop

Still. The lines were not laugh worthy.

[LA Ute]

A funny take on Obama's "Winning the Future" concept:

[dabrockster]

For crying out loud, Brock, not all Tea Baggers get hung up over the use of the word 'Tea Bagger.' Some of us enjoy the term, and appreciate the humor in it. There is nothing inherently insulting about the phrase Tea Bagger, nor is there anything wrong with using it generally, since everyone knows exactly to whom it is referring. In that sense, it is a very useful word.

If, however, you are in a group where someone who is a part of the Tea Party movement objects to the use, it would be a fine PERSONAL courtesy to not use the word around that person. But it is wrong to categorically reject the phrase.

Robin, I have stayed clear of this subject as of late but when liberal wankers use the words "You proudly coined the term for the Tea Party....." I decided to interject and request "proof" of such words..

I did not go into a rant about my displeasure or a dissertation of why it should not be used as a nickname for Tea Party.. I only requested "proof".

His response was exactly what I expected, so I called him out on the biggest stretch I have ever seen... End of story..

[quote=Borderline Divine;520032]

That is your freaking source?? Olberman?? Again. SHOW ME where he called himself a teabagger in any way. His sentence was this..



If you can't see the difference or are to blinded by your own desire to call a person a "Teabagger" then I can't help you...[/QUOTE]

Having never asked for your help, I thank you nonetheless.

I confess that I had no idea you or Garth would be so deeply wounded by the term. I think Robin has the right outlook on the subject.

Gawd I love your spokeswoman, BTW. Now there's a LEADER!

I was not wounded (Just annoyed by outright lies). I do not like weaknesses in an argument and your claim that it was coined by a Tea Party member needed to be called out..

As for your snarky on "My" spokesman.. This once again shows your ignorance to what or who is a Tea Party member.. Many of those who attend rally's or various other activities that may have been born by a person who proclaims to be a Tea Party member, but it does not make them or the rest of the group a devout Tea Party member.. It only shows they are supportive of THAT specific item.. Many Tea Party/Non-Tea Party members can agree and disagree on many political opinions. Robin is a prime example of that (Although I still think he is just cloaking himself and trying to mock the Tea Party group, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt..).. So please understand my defense of this does not make me a "Full-Fledged" Tea Party member...

[Borderline Divine]

Well okay then

[quote=dabrockster;520627]Robin, I have stayed clear of this subject as of late but when liberal wankers use the words "You proudly coined the term for the Tea Party....." I decided to interject and request "proof" of such words..

I did not go into a rant about my displeasure or a dissertation of why it should not be used as a nickname for Tea Party.. I only requested "proof".

His response was exactly what I expected, so I called him out on the biggest stretch I have ever seen... End of story..

I was not wounded (Just annoyed by outright lies). I do not like weaknesses in an argument and your claim that it was coined by a Tea Party member needed to be called out..

As for your snarky on "My" spokesman.. This once again shows your ignorance to what or who is a Tea Party member.. Many of those who attend rally's or various other activities that may have been born by a person who proclaims to be a Tea Party member, but it does not make them or the rest of the group a devout Tea Party member.. It only shows they are supportive of THAT specific item.. Many Tea Party/Non-Tea Party members can agree and disagree on many political opinions. Robin is a prime example of that (Although I still think he is just cloaking himself and trying to mock the Tea Party group, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt..).. So please understand my defense of this does not make me a "Full-Fledged" Tea Party member...

I'll admit that - after looking for proof - it DOESN'T look like the Tea Party initially called themselves Teabaggers. MY BAD.

As to the bottom of your response I read it 3x and confess I don't understand a word of it. Your movement seems to revel in it's lack of organization and cohesion. Hence Michele Bachmann leaves the reservation and you have to explain to me that she doesn't represent your movement.

[dabrockster]

[quote=Borderline Divine;520735]

Robin, I have stayed clear of this subject as of late but when liberal wankers use the words "You proudly coined the term for the Tea Party....." I decided to interject and request "proof" of such words..

I did not go into a rant about my displeasure or a dissertation of why it should not be used as a nickname for Tea Party.. I only requested "proof".

His response was exactly what I expected, so I called him out on the biggest stretch I have ever seen... End of story..



I'll admit that - after looking for proof - it DOESN'T look like the Tea Party initially called themselves Teabaggers. MY BAD.

As to the bottom of your response I read it 3x and confess I don't understand a word of it. Your movement seems to revel in it's lack of organization and cohesion. Hence Michele Bachmann leaves the reservation and you have to explain to me that she doesn't represent your movement.

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