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  • #646
    Why does anyone give Hamas, and frankly any middle-eastern Islamic nation, which is pretty much all of them, any credibility at all? Now they're calling the hostage rescue operation a "war crime" and a "massacre".

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/74035396007/

    Abu Obaida, spokesman for the Hamas Al-Qassam Brigades military wing, called Saturday's raid a "complex war crime." He said three hostages were killed in the attack, including one holding a U.S. passport, a claim Israeli military spokesperson Peter Lerner said should be taken "with a pinch of salt."

    By committing horrific massacres, the enemy was able to free some of his prisoners, but at the same time, it killed some of them," Obaida said. "The operation will pose a great danger to the (remaining hostages) and will have a negative impact on their conditions and lives."

    The Israeli operation Saturday involved hundreds of troops and heavy air support that pounded the Nuseirat refugee camp. Freed captives Noa Argamani, 25; Almog Meir Jan, 21; Andrey Kozlov, 27',; and Shlomi Ziv, 40, were in good health and being reunited with their families, Israeli authorities said. Lerner said they were held "in civilian homes, putting them within the civilian arena."

    Neighboring Egypt and Jordan expressed outrage at the Israeli attack, calling it a violation of international law. Lebanon’s foreign ministry condemned the “massacre." Jasem Mohamed Albudaiwi, secretary-general of the Gulf Cooperation Council, called the attack "a heinous and terrorist crime that targeted defenseless innocents with brutality."
    So Hamas kidnapped civilians, intentionally holds them hostage in civilian/refugee areas, won't release them, and then turns around and claims any civilian collateral damage is a massacre and a war crime?

    Israel is definitely not a bunch of choir boys, but when it comes to Israel vs Hamas/Egypt/Jordan/Lebanon/Syria/Iran/et. al., I'm on team Israel all the way.

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    • #647
      Israel came under heavy fire when they went in to extract the hostages. How could that be if this was just a refugee camp they were raiding?

      On a side note: Benny Ganz resigning from the war cabinet is a pretty big deal.

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      • #648
        Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
        Israel came under heavy fire when they went in to extract the hostages. How could that be if this was just a refugee camp they were raiding?

        On a side note: Benny Ganz resigning from the war cabinet is a pretty big deal.
        I think he's pretty moderate. That's not a good look for Bibi.

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        • #649
          Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
          Why does anyone give Hamas, and frankly any middle-eastern Islamic nation, which is pretty much all of them, any credibility at all? Now they're calling the hostage rescue operation a "war crime" and a "massacre".

          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/74035396007/



          So Hamas kidnapped civilians, intentionally holds them hostage in civilian/refugee areas, won't release them, and then turns around and claims any civilian collateral damage is a massacre and a war crime?

          Israel is definitely not a bunch of choir boys, but when it comes to Israel vs Hamas/Egypt/Jordan/Lebanon/Syria/Iran/et. al., I'm on team Israel all the way.
          Yeah, as long as the Israeli hostages are imprisoned Israel should be justified in using almost any means in getting them back.
          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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          • #650
            Over the weekend, that dork Matt Bruenig tried to imply that Israel was making the wrong choice on a classic trolley problem and then he got thoroughly dragged in the replies for getting it backwards. A sample response:

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            • #651
              Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
              Why does anyone give Hamas, and frankly any middle-eastern Islamic nation, which is pretty much all of them, any credibility at all? Now they're calling the hostage rescue operation a "war crime" and a "massacre".

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/74035396007/



              So Hamas kidnapped civilians, intentionally holds them hostage in civilian/refugee areas, won't release them, and then turns around and claims any civilian collateral damage is a massacre and a war crime?

              Israel is definitely not a bunch of choir boys, but when it comes to Israel vs Hamas/Egypt/Jordan/Lebanon/Syria/Iran/et. al., I'm on team Israel all the way.
              It is really strange that when you imbed military infrastructure, or POW/civilian hostages, into civilian centers that civilians end up dying.


              We just don't live in a serious world anymore. Perhaps it has been that way for a long time.
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              • #652
                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post

                It is really strange that when you imbed military infrastructure, or POW/civilian hostages, into civilian centers that civilians end up dying.


                We just don't live in a serious world anymore. Perhaps it has been that way for a long time.
                For sure. I just cannot understand the LGBTQ+++ support for Hamas. It is so bizarre. Outside of the Orthodox Haredi community, Israelis are very tolerant of LGBTQ+++. Israel is the only nation in the region that holds annual Gay Pride parades in both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Surely the U.S. gay community knows this, and understands it would be persecuted with extreme prejudice in Gaza, the West Bank, Egypt, Syria, et al. I just don't get it.

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                • #653
                  Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

                  For sure. I just cannot understand the LGBTQ+++ support for Hamas. It is so bizarre. Outside of the Orthodox Haredi community, Israelis are very tolerant of LGBTQ+++. Israel is the only nation in the region that holds annual Gay Pride parades in both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Surely the U.S. gay community knows this, and understands it would be persecuted with extreme prejudice in Gaza, the West Bank, Egypt, Syria, et al. I just don't get it.
                  Intersectionality!
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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                  • #654
                    Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

                    For sure. I just cannot understand the LGBTQ+++ support for Hamas. It is so bizarre. Outside of the Orthodox Haredi community, Israelis are very tolerant of LGBTQ+++. Israel is the only nation in the region that holds annual Gay Pride parades in both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Surely the U.S. gay community knows this, and understands it would be persecuted with extreme prejudice in Gaza, the West Bank, Egypt, Syria, et al. I just don't get it.
                    As irrational as they are unserious. Crazy world. There are moments when I think of my lavish comforts, 4 children born via in-vitro and a wife whose pancreas is mostly an external insulin pump and I think the world is a much better place than it used to be due to technology-only then to remember that Border Patrol folks occasionally ride horses and riding horses was the principal method of transportation of slave owners and their lackeys, as well as everyone else alive then, and the world just crumbles around me.

                    Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                    -General George S. Patton

                    I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                    -DOCTOR Wuap

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                    • #655
                      The Hostages Next Door: Inside a Notable Gaza Family’s Dark Secret - WSJ

                      A decently interesting article on the recent rescue of some of the hostages from a civilian home in Gaza...yes, a civilian home in case anyone still did not believe that Hamas is keeping hostages literally in homes in suburban Gaza.
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • #656
                        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                        The Hostages Next Door: Inside a Notable Gaza Family’s Dark Secret - WSJ

                        A decently interesting article on the recent rescue of some of the hostages from a civilian home in Gaza...yes, a civilian home in case anyone still did not believe that Hamas is keeping hostages literally in homes in suburban Gaza.
                        Who is doubting Hamas is keeping hostages in homes or civilian places? I don't think they have a lot in terms of formal military bases.

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                        • #657
                          Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                          Who is doubting Hamas is keeping hostages in homes or civilian places? I don't think they have a lot in terms of formal military bases.
                          A lot of people, mostly people that are upset at the civilian casualties on the Palestinian side. I mean, Israel is likely trying to limit civilian casualties but that is very hard when the hostages are being kept in the bedroom of a residential apartment building.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • #658
                            Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                            Who is doubting Hamas is keeping hostages in homes or civilian places? I don't think they have a lot in terms of formal military bases.
                            Not only are they putting hostages in civilian homes, it appears that the civilians are happy to detain the hostages on behalf of hamas.
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                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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                            • #659
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                              Not only are they putting hostages in civilian homes, it appears that the civilians are happy to detain the hostages on behalf of hamas.
                              Happy as in "we love Hamas" or happy as in "don't shoot my children"?
                              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                              • #660
                                Originally posted by falafel View Post

                                Happy as in "we love Hamas" or happy as in "don't shoot my children"?
                                Yes?
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