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If the first one were true, it seems like the second shouldn't need to occur.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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can support be real if you die if you oppose them?
They killed all the opposing parties and also had death squads to kill individuals that would every critcise them. Not sure any supoort is real if an oppresive regime runs everything and forces you to comply
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If what you say is true, then eradicating Hamas is more important than most realize. Israel should then continue to destroy them until they no longer exist. No one should be voicing any support at all for Hamas, but unfortunately there are a lot of people on college campuses and other protests that view Hamas as martyrs. It’s frankly disgusting.Originally posted by Maximus View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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Happy as in willingly cooperate. Many of apartments belong to influential palestinian families who have long supported hamas.Originally posted by falafel View Post
And hamas still enjoys majority approval in both Gaza and the West Bank.
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I agree the college protests are horribly anti semetic .Originally posted by Moliere View Post
the choice israel has though is a deal to save the hostages or really another year in gaza and 200-300 more dead soldiers.
at this point I think a deal is reached soon and hamas unfortunately wont go away. maybe they can take out the leaders later.Comment
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But by occasional raids and attacks on Hamas and eliminating key leaders they keep the fight in Gaza and prevent Hamas from gaining enough organizational and operational momentum to conduct very coordinated attacks against Israel and its citizens. There is no solution to make militant Islam go away under any circumstances but whack-a-mole keeps Hamas, or its successor should Israel finish off the current rendition, occupied enough that it mitigates their capacity to harm Israel.Originally posted by Bo Diddley View PostDo Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
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I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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That's why I think Gaza will need to be occupied going forward.Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
The question in my mind is how pervasive is support for Hamas? The greater the support, the more difficult it will be to mitigate future attacks.Comment
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In case you're wondering why no deal happens
February 23
Second Paris Summit
CIA director William Burns (C-L) meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi (R) at Ittihadiya Palace in Cairo, on February 13, 2024Credit: Egyptian Presidency / AFP
On February 23, as the second Paris summit is about to begin, the head of the Missing and Captive Soldiers Division in the IDF, Maj. Gen. (res.) Nitzan Alon, was making his way to Ben Gurion Airport. On his way, Alon discovers that Netanyahu had spoken to Mossad chief Barnea and had considerably limited the mandate for negotiations, which was approved by the war cabinet. Alon considers canceling his trip, but ultimately travels to Paris.
After the failure of the second Paris summit, and a subsequent period of an impasse, war cabinet members and senior defense officials ask Netanyahu to convene the cabinet and authorize the Israeli team to renew negotiations. Netanyahu does not respond to these requests and does not convene the cabinet. Maj. Gen. (res.) Nitzan Alon sharply criticizes Netanyahu, saying that the mandate he received has been minimized to the extent that the opportunity for a new deal could be missed. Netanyahu says in response, he's running a "give and take" and not a "give and give
In early April, mediators exert significant pressure on Israel to advance an interim deal for the release of up to 33 hostages. At the time, Israel and Hamas were at the closest they had been to agreeing to a deal. Amid initial talks on the interim agreement, the Israeli army announces the completion of its Khan Younis operation and a full withdrawal of forces from the area. In light of the negotiations, Religious Zionism head and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich holds an emergency party convention, and is summoned to a talk with Netanyahu on that very same day. Later, Netanyahu releases a statement saying that total victory over Hamas requires entering the southern Gazan city of Rafah, adding that "It will happen – there's a date."
In the following days, Netanyahu refrains from convening the war cabinet, despite significant progress reported in talks
A sensitive decision is made at a war cabinet meeting – what would be the minimal number of hostages that Israel would find acceptable as part of an interim deal. The number is classified as top secret, as Hamas would cling to the smallest number of hostages rather than a larger group. Given that the cabinet is united in its position to agree to the deal, Netanyahu is forced to allow the negotiating team to press on. That same day, Netanyahu meets with Minister Bezalel Smotrich and shares the sensitive number with him. Smotrich, who was not a member of the limited war cabinet, leaks it inaccurately to ministers and to the media.
At the same time, Smotrich increases pressure on the prime minister. In a statement, Smotrich says that "agreeing to a deal is a humiliating surrender. If you decide to raise a white flag, the government you head will have no right to exist." Later, Netanyahu makes several statements, stressing that Israel is intent on entering Rafah and will not agree to stop the war. This position moves Hamas farther away from the negotiating table.
April 26
Behind the Cabinet's Back
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i can think of at least one other reasonOriginally posted by Maximus View PostIn case you're wondering why no deal happens
February 23
Second Paris Summit
CIA director William Burns (C-L) meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi (R) at Ittihadiya Palace in Cairo, on February 13, 2024Credit: Egyptian Presidency / AFP
On February 23, as the second Paris summit is about to begin, the head of the Missing and Captive Soldiers Division in the IDF, Maj. Gen. (res.) Nitzan Alon, was making his way to Ben Gurion Airport. On his way, Alon discovers that Netanyahu had spoken to Mossad chief Barnea and had considerably limited the mandate for negotiations, which was approved by the war cabinet. Alon considers canceling his trip, but ultimately travels to Paris.
After the failure of the second Paris summit, and a subsequent period of an impasse, war cabinet members and senior defense officials ask Netanyahu to convene the cabinet and authorize the Israeli team to renew negotiations. Netanyahu does not respond to these requests and does not convene the cabinet. Maj. Gen. (res.) Nitzan Alon sharply criticizes Netanyahu, saying that the mandate he received has been minimized to the extent that the opportunity for a new deal could be missed. Netanyahu says in response, he's running a "give and take" and not a "give and give
In early April, mediators exert significant pressure on Israel to advance an interim deal for the release of up to 33 hostages. At the time, Israel and Hamas were at the closest they had been to agreeing to a deal. Amid initial talks on the interim agreement, the Israeli army announces the completion of its Khan Younis operation and a full withdrawal of forces from the area. In light of the negotiations, Religious Zionism head and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich holds an emergency party convention, and is summoned to a talk with Netanyahu on that very same day. Later, Netanyahu releases a statement saying that total victory over Hamas requires entering the southern Gazan city of Rafah, adding that "It will happen – there's a date."
In the following days, Netanyahu refrains from convening the war cabinet, despite significant progress reported in talks
A sensitive decision is made at a war cabinet meeting – what would be the minimal number of hostages that Israel would find acceptable as part of an interim deal. The number is classified as top secret, as Hamas would cling to the smallest number of hostages rather than a larger group. Given that the cabinet is united in its position to agree to the deal, Netanyahu is forced to allow the negotiating team to press on. That same day, Netanyahu meets with Minister Bezalel Smotrich and shares the sensitive number with him. Smotrich, who was not a member of the limited war cabinet, leaks it inaccurately to ministers and to the media.
At the same time, Smotrich increases pressure on the prime minister. In a statement, Smotrich says that "agreeing to a deal is a humiliating surrender. If you decide to raise a white flag, the government you head will have no right to exist." Later, Netanyahu makes several statements, stressing that Israel is intent on entering Rafah and will not agree to stop the war. This position moves Hamas farther away from the negotiating table.
April 26
Behind the Cabinet's BackTe Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.Comment
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Erdogan is threatening Israel with military engagement. He is a weasel. He has always been a thorn in Europe's side. He slow played Finland and Sweden joining NATO until he extractedconcessions from them and others, including the US. In case anyone forget, Trump admired the guy and sold out the Kurds leaving them to be slaughtered by them. He also allowed Turkish security personnel to beat up peaceful protestors on American soil without any consequence.
Turkey has been steadily increasing its military footprint and influence around the globe, particularly in the Middle East and Africa. They have the second strongest military in NATO and have combat experience. Before Erdogan, Turkey and Israel used to be close. Israel isn't without fault for that relationship fracturing, but Erdogan can't be trusted by anyone. He plays both sides on the Russia - Ukraine conflict. There has been a thawing in Turkish - Iran relations as both countries militarily and materially backed Azerbaijan against a breakaway state called the Republic of Artsakh, which was basically an Armenian dominated part of Azerbaijan .
Not a helpful development
"President Tayyip Erdogan said Sunday that Turkey might enter Israel as it had done in the past in Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh, though he did not spell out what sort of intervention he was suggesting.
Erdogan, who has been a fierce critic of Israel's offensive in Gaza against Hamas, started discussing that war during a speech praising his country's defense industry.
"We must be very strong so that Israel can't do these ridiculous things to Palestine. Just like we entered Karabakh, just like we entered Libya, we might do similar to them," Erdogan told a meeting of his ruling AK Party in his hometown of Rize.
"There is no reason why we cannot do this ... We must be strong so that we can take these steps," Erdogan added in the televised address.
AK Party representatives did not respond to calls asking for more detail on Erdogan's comments. Israel did not immediately make any comment.
The president appeared to be referring to past actions by Turkey."
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Wow
hamas political leader assisinated in Iran.Comment
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GoodOriginally posted by Maximus View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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He deserves jt for shre
Hostage Deal just gpt harder thoughComment
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Dang, Mossad's reach is crazy.Originally posted by Maximus View PostGive 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
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