Latest example of why my politics can best be described as cynicism at this stage

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think he mean LB and MTG

Yes.

[Moliere]

She is truly dumb? I have heard slights against her that she was a bartender, but what do you mean by dumb?

Obtuse; ignorant; lacking basic knowledge of economics and markets; not able to reply sunstsntitvley when pressed on talking points.

[Jeff Lebowski]

To me she often seems like a naive idealist without much understanding of economics, and/or horse trading politics. She seems passionate about her causes, which in my own opinion are worthy, but she lacks a realistic plan of how to actually accomplish her goals. In these respects she is pretty similar to most politicians in that she panders to her base without the ability to really accomplish anything.

I don't think she is truly dumb

Well said. But I have followed her on twitter from the day she was elected and boy has she tweeted some nonsense over the years. This parody account isn't that much of a parody:

https://twitter.com/AOCpressTwo

In fairness, she seems to getting more savvy with time.

[falafel]

How is that a strawman? It kind of sounds like you're saying there's no way you can compare the seriousness of two different acts if they aren't the same act performed under similar circumstances. Help me understand how this isn't complete nonsense.

Seems pretty self-evident.

The whole idea that you would select two distinct acts from two different people/sides/parties and try to decide which is "worse" by some objective and self-serving standard and then proclaim one side "better" than the other is absurd. There's no tally, no column A/column B, no points system that is going to declare a "winner", yet people are constantly trying to do just that by claiming "well at least my side never did THAT."

[Pelado]

Seems pretty self-evident.

The whole idea that you would select two distinct acts from two different people/sides/parties and try to decide which is "worse" by some objective and self-serving standard and then proclaim one side "better" than the other is absurd. There's no tally, no column A/column B, no points system that is going to declare a "winner", yet people are constantly trying to do just that by claiming "well at least my side never did THAT."

T-accounts for crazy.

[BlueK]

Hmm, I thought this was interesting.

Recent research found a strong connection between social rigidity and cognitive rigidity, suggesting that inflexible thinking in one area tends to be associated with inflexible thinking in another. The study, published in Psychological Research, provides evidence that people who embrace rigid political and social attitudes tend to perform worse on tests of problem-solving abilities.


The researchers found that those who scored high in socio-cognitive polarization (characterized by high levels of conservatism, absolutism, and xenophobia) exhibited lower performance on the problem-solving tasks. This indicates that their social rigidity was associated with their cognitive rigidity, even in the absence of political content. Similar findings were observed among those with higher degrees of bullshit receptivity and overclaiming.

The researchers noted that being a good problem solver requires the ability to overcome rigid perspectives, seek alternative reasoning paths, and tolerate ambiguity. They argued that this thinking skill is reflected in other forms of social reasoning, such as being open-minded and questioning established norms. In contrast, individuals with high social rigidity tend to be less flexible in their thinking, which hinders their problem-solving abilities.

https://www.psypost.org/2023/07/new-...igidity-166284

[Commando]

Seems pretty self-evident.

The whole idea that you would select two distinct acts from two different people/sides/parties and try to decide which is "worse" by some objective and self-serving standard and then proclaim one side "better" than the other is absurd. There's no tally, no column A/column B, no points system that is going to declare a "winner", yet people are constantly trying to do just that by claiming "well at least my side never did THAT."

I don't even claim a side, believe it or not. Registered Independent since 2004. Voted for Mitt. However, I'm not too idealistic to see there are but 2 options in American politics and let's just pick the non-batshit side. The GOP is the Batshit side, to clarify.

[falafel]

I don't even claim a side, believe it or not. Registered Independent since 2004. Voted for Mitt. However, I'm not too idealistic to see there are but 2 options in American politics and let's just pick the non-batshit side. The GOP is the Batshit side, to clarify.

I didn't mean to suggest that YOU were the one picking the side. I just mean the "sides" are generally going at each other engaging in this silly debate.

But as I see it, you did just pick a side and you did just engage in the same behavior that I'm describing. Calling one side "batshit" and choosing the opposing side. "The Dems might be crazy (I'm a registered independent!), but at least they're not BATSHIT crazy! "

[Non Sequitur]

I didn't mean to suggest that YOU were the one picking the side. I just mean the "sides" are generally going at each other engaging in this silly debate.

But as I see it, you did just pick a side and you did just engage in the same behavior that I'm describing. Calling one side "batshit" and choosing the opposing side. "The Dems might be crazy (I'm a registered independent!), but at least they're not BATSHIT crazy! "

When you registered as an independent, you picked a side. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean you are intellectually lazy or that your views are unnuanced or that you are incapable of disagreeing with views not generally held by your side. When I say that Matt Gaetz is a crazy mother fetcher, it has nothing to do with sides. It has to do with the fact that Matt Gaetz is indeed a crazy mother fetcher. Embrace your side.

[Commando]

I didn't mean to suggest that YOU were the one picking the side. I just mean the "sides" are generally going at each other engaging in this silly debate.

But as I see it, you did just pick a side and you did just engage in the same behavior that I'm describing. Calling one side "batshit" and choosing the opposing side. "The Dems might be crazy (I'm a registered independent!), but at least they're not BATSHIT crazy! "

Yeah but objectively they are. And I'm not pointing to any behavior by leaders of the Democratic Party-- good or bad. The GOP is about to nominate a twice impeached, convicted sex offender, soon to be convicted felon, insurrectionist. You can choose whatever terminology you like if batshit offends you, but don't parse this down to some kind of alleged logical fallacy. I think I've been pretty clear.

[Commando]

When you registered as an independent, you picked a side. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean you are intellectually lazy or that your views are unnuanced or that you are incapable of disagreeing with views not generally held by your side. When I say that Matt Gaetz is a crazy mother fetcher, it has nothing to do with sides. It has to do with the fact that Matt Gaetz is indeed a crazy mother fetcher. Embrace your side.

I didn't pick either side that I'm supposed to be attacking or defending. That's all I meant. If I'm biased, it's not because of my 'team,' it's because of my own ideals.

[falafel]

When you registered as an independent, you picked a side. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean you are intellectually lazy or that your views are unnuanced or that you are incapable of disagreeing with views not generally held by your side. When I say that Matt Gaetz is a crazy mother fetcher, it has nothing to do with sides. It has to do with the fact that Matt Gaetz is indeed a crazy mother fetcher. Embrace your side.

I'm not a registered anything.

[Jeff Lebowski]

When you registered as an independent, you picked a side. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean you are intellectually lazy or that your views are unnuanced or that you are incapable of disagreeing with views not generally held by your side. When I say that Matt Gaetz is a crazy mother fetcher, it has nothing to do with sides. It has to do with the fact that Matt Gaetz is indeed a crazy mother fetcher. Embrace your side.

Falafel was quoting commando and was not claiming that he is a registered independent.

And yikes, you guys just keep proving his point.

[Pelado]

It has to do with the fact that Matt Gaetz is indeed a crazy mother daughter fetcher.

fify

[Non Sequitur]

I'm not a registered anything.

My bad. I misread.