Latest example of why my politics can best be described as cynicism at this stage

[All-American]

The current political landscape is like nothing we've ever experienced. We have GOP candidates Trump and DeSantis both planning to pardon men convicted of sedition. That is the opposite defending against domestic enemies. Trump is facing multiple felonies and he is still a viable candidate. It doesn't get worse than that.

I assure you it can get worse.

[FMCoug]

I assure you it can get worse.

I have a mantra that I live by. “Never challenge worse.”

[Commando]

The current political landscape is like nothing we've ever experienced. We have GOP candidates Trump and DeSantis both planning to pardon men convicted of sedition. That is the opposite defending against domestic enemies. Trump is facing multiple felonies and he is still a viable candidate. It doesn't get worse than that.

Yeah I'm having a hard time remembering Democrats being more extreme or on par w the GOP right now. Of course, my memory only goes back to the Reagan administration, so not in my lifetime at least. I think the blanket lying about elections is worse than sweeping social programs, but that's just me.

[FMCoug]

Yeah I'm having a hard time remembering Democrats being more extreme or on par w the GOP right now. Of course, my memory only goes back to the Reagan administration, so not in my lifetime at least. I think the blanket lying about elections is worse than sweeping social programs, but that's just me.

Same here. Perhaps the left in the 60’s works be similar? Part of me wants to believe that we are used to the left being crazy but it’s new for the GOP but maybe that’s wishful thinking.

All I know is that the world seems to have lost its collective mind.

[Commando]

Same here. Perhaps the left in the 60’s works be similar? Part of me wants to believe that we are used to the left being crazy but it’s new for the GOP but maybe that’s wishful thinking.

All I know is that the world seems to have lost its collective mind.

Yeah I spent most of my life hating Democrats and the left wing politics because that's how I was raised. Life has smacked me in the face and jogged me to a realization I've had it pretty much backwards- or at least that all politics are equally shitty. Politics is a game for suckers, but the GOP is really cynically staking everyone's future on this fascist gambit for power.

[FMCoug]

All I know is that the world seems to have lost its collective mind.

I'd also like this attitude to be typical "get off my lawn" generational stuff now that I'm in my 50's. But it's not. It's way worse than that.

[Non Sequitur]

Yeah I'm having a hard time remembering Democrats being more extreme or on par w the GOP right now. Of course, my memory only goes back to the Reagan administration, so not in my lifetime at least. I think the blanket lying about elections is worse than sweeping social programs, but that's just me.

You don't remember it, because it doesn't exist. Any effort to present an equivalency to the extremism on the right with the extremism on the left is asinine. Where are the MTGs on the left? The Lauren Boeberts? The Matt Gaetz's? The Paul Gozars? The Ron Johnsons? The Scott Perrys? And of course, where are the Donald Trumps on the left? I'm honestly surprised that there are people here, whose sensibilities I respect, are going ahead and playing such a weak hand.

[Moliere]

Some good examples of crazy leftists are Bernie sanders and Elizabeth warren. They aren’t as bad as the Trump wing but their policies are crazy and they take every turn they can at using identity politics to further their narrative. I find them both to be despicable and potential harmful to America.

The left is also going all in on an attack on SCOTUS given the recent rulings, which is kind of odd since SCOTUS had plenty of rulings in favor of Biden and against Trump. IMO, the attempt to delegitimize the Supreme Court is pretty bad. It’s not as bad as the Big Lie, but it’s bad and painful to watch happen.

Let’s also not forget that the democrats also didn’t initially accept the results of the 2016 election. Most of them ultimately did, but not before their base had plenty of “not my president” types of people.

[Commando]

You don't remember it, because it doesn't exist. Any effort to present an equivalency to the extremism on the right with the extremism on the left is asinine. Where are the MTGs on the left? The Lauren Boeberts? The Matt Gaetz's? The Paul Gozars? The Ron Johnsons? The Scott Perrys? And of course, where are the Donald Trumps on the left? I'm honestly surprised that there are people here, whose sensibilities I respect, are going ahead and playing such a weak hand.

Yeah I'm posing that in a very dry way, obviously. Of course I've seen the AOC/Bernie thread that is supposed to counterbalance the MTG thread and that's just an eye-rolling false equivalency there designed to what? Make people loyal to the Republican party feel better about belonging to an organization that is now endorsing transparently, dangerously fascist candidates? We're comparing the extreme idea of installing universal health care to the extreme idea of overthrowing the government. They aren't really similar. There are arguments to be made about the value of conservatism, but it's been a long time since I've seen those made in good faith. What's so conservative about upending Democracy?

[Commando]

Some good examples of crazy leftists are Bernie sanders and Elizabeth warren. They aren’t as bad as the Trump wing but their policies are crazy and they take every turn they can at using identity politics to further their narrative. I find them both to be despicable and potential harmful to America.

The left is also going all in on an attack on SCOTUS given the recent rulings, which is kind of odd since SCOTUS had plenty of rulings in favor of Biden and against Trump. IMO, the attempt to delegitimize the Supreme Court is pretty bad. It’s not as bad as the Big Lie, but it’s bad and painful to watch happen.

Let’s also not forget that the democrats also didn’t initially accept the results of the 2016 election. Most of them ultimately did, but not before their base had plenty of “not my president” types of people.

You could argue that Mitch McConnell did more to do that than any subsequent Democratic criticism of the Court.

[falafel]

Yeah I'm posing that in a very dry way, obviously. Of course I've seen the AOC/Bernie thread that is supposed to counterbalance the MTG thread and that's just an eye-rolling false equivalency there designed to what? Make people loyal to the Republican party feel better about belonging to an organization that is now endorsing transparently, dangerously fascist candidates? We're comparing the extreme idea of installing universal health care to the extreme idea of overthrowing the government. They aren't really similar. There are arguments to be made about the value of conservatism, but it's been a long time since I've seen those made in good faith. What's so conservative about upending Democracy?

The search for an "equivalent" on either side is silly. The acts of both sides over the years are extremely unique and varied. There is no such this as an exact analog here. The argument that "no one on the left has ever done THIS terrible thing, and therefore the right is demonstrably worse" is a strawman.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yeah I'm posing that in a very dry way, obviously. Of course I've seen the AOC/Bernie thread that is supposed to counterbalance the MTG thread and that's just an eye-rolling false equivalency they’re OC designed to what? Make people loyal to the Republican party feel better about belonging to an organization that is now endorsing transparently, dangerously fascist candidates? We're comparing the extreme idea of installing universal health care to the extreme idea of overthrowing the government. They aren't really similar. There are arguments to be made about the value of conservatism, but it's been a long time since I've seen those made in good faith. What's so conservative about upending Democracy?

The AOC thread had been around for a long time before the MTG/Bobert thread was even created you dummy.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The search for an "equivalent" on either side is silly. The acts of both sides over the years are extremely unique and varied. There is no such this as an exact analog here. The argument that "no one on the left has ever done THIS terrible thing, and therefore the right is demonstrably worse" is a strawman.

Ha. Get that nuance outta here!

[Moliere]

The AOC thread had been around for a long time before the MTG/Bobert thread was even created you dummy.

I heard an interview with AOC this morning. It has been awhile since the democrats allowed her to speak and I had forgotten how truly dumb she is.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I heard an interview with AOC this morning. It has been awhile since the democrats allowed her to speak and I had forgotten how truly dumb she is.

Don't forget the rest of the "Squad".