2024 Presidential Election Thread

[All-American]

lol.

And you guys keep saying you won’t vote for Trump. Biden not doing a debate will push you to a no vote for POTUS? Really?

What can we learn from a debate with Trump and Biden that we already don’t know?

It’ll be 2 hours of Trump bloviating, a couple moments of Biden stumbling on his words, followed by hours of criticisms of the media for their lack of control and at the end we will all be stupider for entertaining such a spectacle.

It's almost as though neither man deserves our vote. Hmm.

[Moliere]

lol.

And you guys keep saying you won’t vote for Trump. Biden not doing a debate will push you to a no vote for POTUS? Really?

What can we learn from a debate with Trump and Biden that we already don’t know?

It’ll be 2 hours of Trump bloviating, a couple moments of Biden stumbling on his words, followed by hours of criticisms of the media for their lack of control and at the end we will all be stupider for entertaining such a spectacle.

I find debates boring and tedious and they generally never sway people’s opinions. But they are apart of our presidential election history. I’d also be concerned with the reasons Biden isn’t willing to debate.

Id never vote for Trump and my vote doesn’t count anyway since I’m in Texas…so none of this really matters.

[fusnik]

It's almost as though neither man deserves our vote. Hmm.

One 79 year old is trying to destroy the American experiment with his cult and the other is hoping his center left party drags his 81 year old ass across the finish line.

Tots samesies!!!

[fusnik]

I find debates boring and tedious and they generally never sway people’s opinions. But they are apart of our presidential election history. I’d also be concerned with the reasons Biden isn’t willing to debate.

Id never vote for Trump and my vote doesn’t count anyway since I’m in Texas…so none of this really matters.

We’ve never had a rematch between an incumbent and former president.

We’ve never had a debate between a dude who is still campaigning that an election was stolen from him and the opponent who allegedly stole said election.

This isn’t a policy election, it’s not an ideas election, it’s safeguarding democracy from a lunatic and his followers election.

[myboynoah]

Trump is such a complete lunatic and threat to democracy that Biden would be crazy not to debate him. Dementia notwithstanding.

Agreed. Biden should run to that side-by-side comparison.

[All-American]

One 79 year old is trying to destroy the American experiment with his cult and the other is hoping his center left party drags his 81 year old ass across the finish line.

Tots samesies!!!

I mean, they do have a few things in common. Two arms. Two legs. Two hands. No business being considered for the office of President.

[Maximus]

It's almost as though neither man deserves our vote. Hmm.

do you think they are equally objectivable?

[beefytee]

I find debates boring and tedious and they generally never sway people’s opinions. But they are apart of our presidential election history. I’d also be concerned with the reasons Biden isn’t willing to debate.

While the same principles seem to apply to releasing tax returns, you weren't concerned with Trump not releasing those.

[All-American]

do you think they are equally objectivable?

I do not, but that is mostly because I do not know what that last word means.

[falafel]

Yes he will. It’s a perfect time for him to continue to push the narrative that Biden is cognitively in decline. One mistake from Biden and it could be a disaster. It’s a lot of upside for Trump and very little downside.

Trump would LOVE to debate Biden and everyone knows why. He doesn't debate, he flings insults and generates sound bites. That's all he does these days.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Trump would LOVE to debate Biden and everyone knows why. He doesn't debate, he flings insults and generates sound bites. That's all he does these days.

I've mentioned before how I enjoy watching occasionally a few minutes of the Kennedy-Nixon debates on YouTube, both for nostalgic reasons (I remember watching them with my parents when i was 8) and to see the overwhelmingly depressing difference between political dialogue then and now. I imagine interposing Trump into their debate (despite the sweat, Nixon did very well and Kennedy was Kennedy), watching how they would react to one of Trump's junior high school-type personal attacks and 10-year-old vocabulary. One can practically see the "WTF?" thought bubble over their heads. I think any adult during the 60s would be appalled by Trump's behavior, but perhaps I'm giving them too much credit.

[USUC]

This isn’t a policy election, it’s not an ideas election, it’s safeguarding democracy from a lunatic and his followers election.

This is a big part of the Democrats problem. Half the country doesn't think this is about safeguarding democracy. It should be an ideas and a policy election. But Biden's policies aren't popular and he is an inconsistent pandering mess. So all in on safeguarding democracy while gaslighting us on all the rest.

[falafel]

I've mentioned before how I enjoy watching occasionally a few minutes of the Kennedy-Nixon debates on YouTube, both for nostalgic reasons (I remember watching them with my parents when i was 8) and to see the overwhelmingly depressing difference between political dialogue then and now. I imagine interposing Trump into their debate (despite the sweat, Nixon did very well and Kennedy was Kennedy), watching how they would react to one of Trump's junior high school-type personal attacks and 10-year-old vocabulary. One can practically see the "WTF?" thought bubble over their heads. I think any adult during the 60s would be appalled by Trump's behavior, but perhaps I'm giving them too much credit.

I recently watched part of that debate too - for the first time. I remember hearing how the debate was seminal due to it being the first televised debate and Nixon looked bad on tv. But, like you, I thought Nixon did very well in the parts I watched and I would give Trump's arm and leg to return to that kind of political discourse.

[fusnik]

This is a big part of the Democrats problem. Half the country doesn't think this is about safeguarding democracy. It should be an ideas and a policy election. But Biden's policies aren't popular and he is an inconsistent pandering mess. So all in on safeguarding democracy while gaslighting us on all the rest.

You post stuff like this and your previous post about Biden being held in a cocoon and it’s obvious you support Trump.

Not even a mention of the new tariffs Trumps wants, his constant railing on the stolen election, and him holing up at Mar-A-Lago.

Who is gaslighting who?

[fusnik]

I recently watched part of that debate too - for the first time. I remember hearing how the debate was seminal due to it being the first televised debate and Nixon looked bad on tv. But, like you, I thought Nixon did very well in the parts I watched and I would give Trump's arm and leg to return to that kind of political discourse.

Debates need to be retired in the current sense. Allowing candidates to spar, packing audiences with partisans, too many people on stages, and partisan networks sponsoring and hosting debates.

Plus polling shows they don’t move opinions. It’s a spectacle to generate ad revenue and clicks to websites. And ultimately is another symptom of a growing unseriousness in the body politic.