2024 Presidential Election Thread

[USUC]

Cable News is only slightly better than wormy outlets like the daily wire, but you're silly to dethrone Fox's dishonesty and worthlessness so quickly. They lost nearly a billion dollars because they helped prop up Trump's libelous claims about the rigged elections etc. Not to mention NewsMax and OAN or The Blaze being low effort tabloid type producers.

Time capsule of Nov 6, 2024 to be sure.

[Maximus]

I haven't watched Fox News or MSNBC in a while. But yowza is MSNBC really.going all in on conspiracy theories and the sky is falling. No wonder there are crying people all over progressive social media. Its unhinged and out of touch with reality. News was maybe like this 4 years ago, but they aren't as unhinged as the MSNBC crew (granted, I suspect they would be just as bad had Trump loat)

I mean what did they say that was wrong?

I was watching and they mentioned elon turning off starling for Russia . That is true
Trump abandoning Ukraine. True

[frank ryan]

I haven't watched Fox News or MSNBC in a while. But yowza is MSNBC really.going all in on conspiracy theories and the sky is falling. No wonder there are crying people all over progressive social media. Its unhinged and out of touch with reality. News was maybe like this 4 years ago, but they aren't as unhinged as the MSNBC crew (granted, I suspect they would be just as bad had Trump loat)

Cable News is only slightly better than wormy outlets like the daily wire, but you're silly to dethrone Fox's dishonesty and worthlessness so quickly. They lost nearly a billion dollars because they helped prop up Trump's libelous claims about the rigged elections etc. Not to mention NewsMax and OAN or The Blaze being low effort tabloid type producers.

[USUC]

I haven't watched Fox News or MSNBC in a while. But yowza is MSNBC really.going all in on conspiracy theories and the sky is falling. No wonder there are crying people all over progressive social media. Its unhinged and out of touch with reality. News was maybe like this 4 years ago, but they aren't as unhinged as the MSNBC crew (granted, I suspect they would be just as bad had Trump loat)

[falafel]

I don’t recall saying both sides are the same. I said they love power more than people. They use people to get power, each to a different extent.

No offense, but this isn't a radical take. This just describes the history of the human race.

[frank ryan]

I don’t recall saying both sides are the same. I said they love power more than people. They use people to get power, each to a different extent.

Currently, one side is presently a lot more craven and corrupt and it's unhelpful to not acknowledge it. It's not because being conservative or liberal is inherently more or less immoral than the other but rather one side is under the sway of decidedly more corrupt people right now.

[frank ryan]

Read what you just wrote back to yourself and then decide if you should trust anything he says.

BTW, he is in the top 10 people on all of X for being community noted. I would make fun of UT or anyone else for quoting that idiot.

You're right, Bennie Johnson isn't credible, nor is he honorable, but lots of these dreadful individuals are coming out and bragging about their dishonesty with regard to project 2025. But don't get stuck on him, there are plenty of influencers and thought leaders spilling the beans. It's not a surprise to me, although the quickness of the candor and bragging is.

[Moliere]

Have you listened to the right wing rhetoric on immigration reform? It's unhinged, racist and insane. Black people eating dogs. It is still very much a culture war issues as it's framed as existential threat to the white majority.

I love you Moli, but both sides are not the same. It can ease the soul to make them equivalent but it doesn't make it so. It's not about democrats being wonderful. I do not worship them and I am underwhelmed by their lack of leadership on many issues. But they are profoundly less evil than MAGA - for now- at least.

BTW, another thing I and other progressives were mocked for being a chicken-little about, "project 2025," is now no longer a lie.

Kremlin-paid tool, Ted retweetee and Trumpist Benny Johnson went ahead and said the quiet part out loud. You should read up on what you dismissed as liberal hysteria. It's pretty awful.

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Trump whisperer Steve Bannon elaborated.



On Wednesday morning, some of Trump’s favorite fans finally felt comfortable joking about what the next president has long denied: Project 2025has always been the plan for a second Trump term.

“Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lol,” right-wing podcast host Matt Walsh wrote in a post on Xof the 900-plus-page extremist guidebook. Walsh’s message soon got picked up and promoted by Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist who was recently released from prison, where he landed after ignoring a subpoena from the House January 6 Committee. “Fabulous,” Bannon said, chuckling, after reading Walsh’s post out loud on his War Room podcast today. “We might have to put that everywhere.”

Benny Johnson, a conservative YouTuber with 2.59 million followers who has called affirmative action “Nazi-level thinking” and said Trump should prosecuteBiden for human trafficking of immigrants, also chimed in: “It is my honor to inform you all that Project 2025 was real the whole time,” he posted on X.

Bo French, a local Texas GOP official who recently came under fire for using slurs about gay people and people with disabilities on social media, wrote: “Can we admit now that we are going to implement Project 2025?”

Walsh, Bannon, and the others are not the only people in Trump’s orbit who have made these promises. While Trump has tried to distance himself from Project 2025, there is a long list of his connections to it, which include many people who have similarly said that Trump plans to enact the policies if reelected. Russell Vought, a potential next chief of staff profiled by my colleague Isabela Dias, said in a secretly recorded meeting that Project 2025 is the real Trump plan and the distancing tactic was just campaign necessity.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/project-2025-is-the-agenda-trump-what-is-trump-plan-after-win-steve-bannon/

I don’t recall saying both sides are the same. I said they love power more than people. They use people to get power, each to a different extent.

[Jeff Lebowski]

He's not just a troll he's a Kremlin owned stooge ...

Read what you just wrote back to yourself and then decide if you should trust anything he says.

BTW, he is in the top 10 people on all of X for being community noted. I would make fun of UT or anyone else for quoting that idiot.

[frank ryan]

Frank, don't quote Benny Johnson. He is a troll.

He's not wrong on this Jeff. He's not the only one saying it. He's not just a troll he's a Kremlin owned stooge just like Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson and Tim Pool. Those dipshits are very in the loop with MAGA-land.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Frank, don't quote Benny Johnson. He is a troll.

[BlueK]

Have you listened to the right wing rhetoric on immigration reform? It's unhinged, racist and insane. Black people eating dogs. It is still very much a culture war issues as it's framed as existential threat to the white majority.

I love you Moli, but both sides are not the same. It can ease the soul to make them equivalent but it doesn't make it so. It's not about democrats being wonderful. I do not worship them and I am underwhelmed by their lack of leadership on many issues. But they are profoundly less evil than MAGA - for now- at least.

BTW, another thing I and other progressives were mocked for being a chicken-little about, "project 2025," is now no longer a lie.

Kremlin-paid tool, Ted retweetee and Trumpist Benny Johnson went ahead and said the quiet part out loud. You should read up on what you dismissed as liberal hysteria. It's pretty awful.

Embedded Tweet

Trump whisperer Steve Bannon elaborated.



On Wednesday morning, some of Trump’s favorite fans finally felt comfortable joking about what the next president has long denied: Project 2025has always been the plan for a second Trump term.

“Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lol,” right-wing podcast host Matt Walsh wrote in a post on Xof the 900-plus-page extremist guidebook. Walsh’s message soon got picked up and promoted by Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist who was recently released from prison, where he landed after ignoring a subpoena from the House January 6 Committee. “Fabulous,” Bannon said, chuckling, after reading Walsh’s post out loud on his War Room podcast today. “We might have to put that everywhere.”

Benny Johnson, a conservative YouTuber with 2.59 million followers who has called affirmative action “Nazi-level thinking” and said Trump should prosecuteBiden for human trafficking of immigrants, also chimed in: “It is my honor to inform you all that Project 2025 was real the whole time,” he posted on X.

Bo French, a local Texas GOP official who recently came under fire for using slurs about gay people and people with disabilities on social media, wrote: “Can we admit now that we are going to implement Project 2025?”

Walsh, Bannon, and the others are not the only people in Trump’s orbit who have made these promises. While Trump has tried to distance himself from Project 2025, there is a long list of his connections to it, which include many people who have similarly said that Trump plans to enact the policies if reelected. Russell Vought, a potential next chief of staff profiled by my colleague Isabela Dias, said in a secretly recorded meeting that Project 2025 is the real Trump plan and the distancing tactic was just campaign necessity.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/project-2025-is-the-agenda-trump-what-is-trump-plan-after-win-steve-bannon/

Harris gave a great concession speech. Compare how she reacted after losing to how Trump did in 2020. No, both sides are not the same.

[frank ryan]

He shouldn’t have killed the border bill, however the Dems sat on their hands for three years as immigration got worse and worse. Biden also could have stopped the immigration crisis through EO, which he eventually did. Everyone knew the Dems only put the bill forward for political reasons in an election year and everyone knew Trump killed it for political reasons.

Neither party cares about people. They care about power and the immigration issue is an almost perfect example of that.

Have you listened to the right wing rhetoric on immigration reform? It's unhinged, racist and insane. Black people eating dogs. It is still very much a culture war issues as it's framed as existential threat to the white majority.

I love you Moli, but both sides are not the same. It can ease the soul to make them equivalent but it doesn't make it so. It's not about democrats being wonderful. I do not worship them and I am underwhelmed by their lack of leadership on many issues. But they are profoundly less evil than MAGA - for now- at least.

BTW, another thing I and other progressives were mocked for being a chicken-little about, "project 2025," is now no longer a lie.

Kremlin-paid tool, Ted retweetee and Trumpist Benny Johnson went ahead and said the quiet part out loud. You should read up on what you dismissed as liberal hysteria. It's pretty awful.

Embedded Tweet

Trump whisperer Steve Bannon elaborated.



On Wednesday morning, some of Trump’s favorite fans finally felt comfortable joking about what the next president has long denied: Project 2025has always been the plan for a second Trump term.

“Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lol,” right-wing podcast host Matt Walsh wrote in a post on Xof the 900-plus-page extremist guidebook. Walsh’s message soon got picked up and promoted by Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist who was recently released from prison, where he landed after ignoring a subpoena from the House January 6 Committee. “Fabulous,” Bannon said, chuckling, after reading Walsh’s post out loud on his War Room podcast today. “We might have to put that everywhere.”

Benny Johnson, a conservative YouTuber with 2.59 million followers who has called affirmative action “Nazi-level thinking” and said Trump should prosecuteBiden for human trafficking of immigrants, also chimed in: “It is my honor to inform you all that Project 2025 was real the whole time,” he posted on X.

Bo French, a local Texas GOP official who recently came under fire for using slurs about gay people and people with disabilities on social media, wrote: “Can we admit now that we are going to implement Project 2025?”

Walsh, Bannon, and the others are not the only people in Trump’s orbit who have made these promises. While Trump has tried to distance himself from Project 2025, there is a long list of his connections to it, which include many people who have similarly said that Trump plans to enact the policies if reelected. Russell Vought, a potential next chief of staff profiled by my colleague Isabela Dias, said in a secretly recorded meeting that Project 2025 is the real Trump plan and the distancing tactic was just campaign necessity.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/project-2025-is-the-agenda-trump-what-is-trump-plan-after-win-steve-bannon/

[Moliere]

You realize Trump killed the border bill by ordering his minions to oppose it so it would give Harris any political wins.

The culture war fueled Trump and MAGA. Don't scold democrats for being unreasonable when it was republicans who eagerly vote for a guy who wants to put brain-worm riddled RFK in charge of the CDC and has a pattern of hanging out with Epstein and sexually assaulting women.

He shouldn’t have killed the border bill, however the Dems sat on their hands for three years as immigration got worse and worse. Biden also could have stopped the immigration crisis through EO, which he eventually did. Everyone knew the Dems only put the bill forward for political reasons in an election year and everyone knew Trump killed it for political reasons.

Neither party cares about people. They care about power and the immigration issue is an almost perfect example of that.

[falafel]

You realize Trump killed the border bill by ordering his minions to oppose it so it would give Harris any political wins.

I agree with this - Trump wasn't stupid, he knew that would be a winning issue. Its the American people who weren't paying attention when Trump openly and brazenly killed the border deal so he could use it to bash Harris. Voters either pay attention to that or didn't care (the didn't care part doesn't make sense to me, since they clearly cared on election day).

But the real villain in Harris' story isn't Trump, its Biden. If he had kept his promise to only stay one term, there could have been a real primary and debate among democrats and perhaps a real and viable candidate would have emerged. Harris was 7th out of 8 or something 4 years ago, its amazing she did as well as she did at such a late date. But clearly she wasn't the right candidate and didn't have the necessary time to build momentum and a coalition.

If Biden hadn't dumped trillions of dollars into the economy and cause inflation to soar (I acknowledge that hindsight is 20/20), or if a democrat that was NOT the VP to Biden were running against Trump, that person might have made a decent argument to differentiate themselves from the Biden admin. Instead, the old bastard couldn't let go of he took the country down with him (or at least, half the country).

Thanks for nothin', Joe.