The Mass Shooting Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

"My contemptuous cynicism is exactly what Jesus would do."

LOL.

[Donuthole]

"My contemptuous cynicism is exactly what Jesus would do."

LOL.

Geez. Nowhere did I say that i'm acting Christlike in my critisicm/critique of the behavior. Nice straw man, though.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Geez. Nowhere did I say that i'm acting Christlike in my critisicm/critique of the behavior. Nice straw man, though.

WTH? You literally said this:

But if we truly believe that man "looketh on the outward appearance and the Lord looketh on the heart," is it not worth considering/weighing why we do the things we do?

Please don't pretend you were engaging in some healthy self-reflection. Nobody is going to buy that.

[Donuthole]

WTH? You literally said this:



Please don't pretend you were engaging in some healthy self-reflection. Nobody is going to buy that.

In no way does that statement mean that I am acting Christlike when I judge their motives. I agree that my judgment is, in fact, un-Christlike. But that doesn't change the fact that, if we are to believe the scriptures, someone doing something for the wrong reasons ultimately might not garner the spiritual accolades they seek, as the Lord doesn't just look on what they did, but why they did it. And I don't think that changes my original position, which is that, as Mormons, we so desire worldwide acceptance that we are subconsciously driven to turn the other cheek, perhaps partially because we know it's the right thing to do, but also partially because we want the world to see us turning our cheek and proclaim us Christlike.

This is definitely something that I reflect on all the time. Am I in a specific church meeting because I want to be here? Or because it's expected that I be here by my wife, kids, leaders, ward members, etc? Being there is good--better than not being there, probably. But being there because I want to be there is much, much better. I self-reflect on that all the time. And i'm not saying I always do the right thing, nor am I saying that when I do the right thing, I always do it for the right reason. But it's something I strive for. And it's something I evaluate in my life all the time, especially as it pertains to my acts of service and my service in the Church. So yeah, I self reflect on this issue. I think more of us should. And I don't care if anyone buys that or doesn't.

[dabrockster]

In no way does that statement mean that I am acting Christlike when I judge their motives. I agree that my judgment is, in fact, un-Christlike. But that doesn't change the fact that, if we are to believe the scriptures, someone doing something for the wrong reasons ultimately might not garner the spiritual accolades they seek, as the Lord doesn't just look on what they did, but why they did it. And I don't think that changes my original position, which is that, as Mormons, we so desire worldwide acceptance that we are subconsciously driven to turn the other cheek, perhaps partially because we know it's the right thing to do, but also partially because we want the world to see us turning our cheek and proclaim us Christlike.

This is definitely something that I reflect on all the time. Am I in a specific church meeting because I want to be here? Or because it's expected that I be here by my wife, kids, leaders, ward members, etc? Being there is good--better than not being there, probably. But being there because I want to be there is much, much better. I self-reflect on that all the time. And i'm not saying I always do the right thing, nor am I saying that when I do the right thing, I always do it for the right reason. But it's something I strive for. And it's something I evaluate in my life all the time, especially as it pertains to my acts of service and my service in the Church. So yeah, I self reflect on this issue. I think more of us should. And I don't care if anyone buys that or doesn't.

Not sure it is a party more than a lecture from a judgy part-time professor pontificating more to demean or look down upon others for their actions. Maybe. JUST maybe.. In that self-reflection while judging others motives and broad-brushing an entire church is likely going to be equally looked upon in your book of life. Just sayin..

But go on.. tell me more about the inner-feelings of a stranger and their motives..

[Donuthole]

Not sure it is a party more than a lecture from a judgy part-time professor pontificating more to demean or look down upon others for their actions. Maybe. JUST maybe.. In that self-reflection while judging others motives and broad-brushing an entire church is likely going to be equally looked upon in your book of life. Just sayin..

But go on.. tell me more about the inner-feelings of a stranger and their motives..

Sorry if I somehow gave you the impression that I'm a part-time professor. I'm not.

[Clark Addison]

Sorry if I somehow gave you the impression that I'm a part-time professor. I'm not.

Congrats on the promotion! I hope it comes with benefits as well?

[Jeff Lebowski]

In no way does that statement mean that I am acting Christlike when I judge their motives. I agree that my judgment is, in fact, un-Christlike. But that doesn't change the fact that, if we are to believe the scriptures, someone doing something for the wrong reasons ultimately might not garner the spiritual accolades they seek, as the Lord doesn't just look on what they did, but why they did it. And I don't think that changes my original position, which is that, as Mormons, we so desire worldwide acceptance that we are subconsciously driven to turn the other cheek, perhaps partially because we know it's the right thing to do, but also partially because we want the world to see us turning our cheek and proclaim us Christlike.

This is definitely something that I reflect on all the time. Am I in a specific church meeting because I want to be here? Or because it's expected that I be here by my wife, kids, leaders, ward members, etc? Being there is good--better than not being there, probably. But being there because I want to be there is much, much better. I self-reflect on that all the time. And i'm not saying I always do the right thing, nor am I saying that when I do the right thing, I always do it for the right reason. But it's something I strive for. And it's something I evaluate in my life all the time, especially as it pertains to my acts of service and my service in the Church. So yeah, I self reflect on this issue. I think more of us should. And I don't care if anyone buys that or doesn't.

Self-reflection is a wonderful thing! Judging or assuming the worst about others is not.

[Copelius]

We just all need to stop looking to pull oat the motes because our sight is too dim to see the bim.

[Bo Diddley]

We just all need to stop looking to pull oat the motes because our sight is too dim to see the bim.

My best friend and I growing up would sing those words in the hymn just like that.

[Copelius]

My best friend and I growing up would sing those words in the hymn just like that.

I still do.

[Bo Diddley]

I still do.

Vin-di-ca-she-own!

[Jeff Lebowski]

SL Trib posts cartoon with wanted posters of Utah republicans with subheading "the hole in the head gang".

Unbelievable that this was not stopped by an editor.

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[LVAllen]

SL Trib posts cartoon with wanted posters of Utah republicans with subheading "the hole in the head gang".

Unbelievable that this was not stopped by an editor.

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Pretty sure the headline is created by an editor, not Pat Bagley.

[Bo Diddley]

Yikes