"Hold my root beer" - the Russell M. Nelson thread

[grapevine]

My MTC companion was a UF Gator. During one of our call center shifts, he called someone who was watching the UF - FSU game, when FSU was ranked #1 the entire season and went 12-0. He spent probably a good 20 minutes on that call, mostly just getting updates on the score. To my knowledge, that was the most successful interaction any of us really had, unless you count the in-the-field missionaries who would call up just to screw with us.

Speaking of infield missionaries calling to screw with us the Saturdau before I got to the field some of us were doing member surveys of recent converts. Conclude by pushing for reveal. There is someone for you we had to think of people they knew.

Well one missionary says I have this reddest referral. He has been a Catholic all of his life he is ready to change. Was the name of our Mission President. We told our MTC teachers and parents at the airport about the referral what our mp did. MTC camp handed Jim the ref rap said what he learned in MTC.

Come to find out it was missionary impersonating President. Wanting to probably see wh got the referral. I told my MTC comp later about that. I donlt know who's better prepared tele center or non Telecenter missionaries. Telecenter missionaries knew a lot in referral center.

[Surfah]

From Google:

Like I said. Gray.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I find this rather weird. I never liked the hero worship of Apostles even when I was a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

https://blog.deseretbook.com/news/2019/5/15/president-nelson-artifacts

Until Father’s Day, walk through the front doors of the store and take a deeper look into President Nelson’s journey through a series of mementos, vignettes and photographs of important and meaningful moments throughout his life. See his navy R.O.T.C and army uniforms from his service as a young man, take a closer look at a cherished puzzle he put together with family members (one of his favorite hobbies) and picture yourself sitting at the same desk he spent many hours studying at during his days in medical school. These items and more help to paint a picture of the life he led and the journey he took on his way to becoming the current President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

[Brian]

Uh....... ok.


I guess this is the price we pay for two hour church.

[old_gregg]

I find this rather weird. I never liked the hero worship of Apostles even when I was a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

https://blog.deseretbook.com/news/20...lson-artifacts

bh roberts would be super pissed!

[Sullyute]

Uh....... ok.


I guess this is the price we pay for two hour church.

Totally worth it!

[Northwestcoug]

I find this rather weird. I never liked the hero worship of Apostles even when I was a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

https://blog.deseretbook.com/news/20...lson-artifacts

If they included some of his pioneering work with cardiac surgery, I would consider dropping in. But a puzzle?!? C'mon. He isn't more interesting than that?

[Green Monstah]

I was just thinking of some reforms I'd love to see Pres. Nelson enact in the Church, and not a lot came to mind (at least, none that are realistic), but one I'd love to see revised is how we treat people who are incarcerated/on probation/on parole.

I taught a guy on my mission who was really thoughtful about the church and eventually committed to being baptized. He was on probation for a unique Oregon law that prohibits shouting/arguing in front of children and therefore couldn't pass his baptism interview. He went to church for a few months after, but I think the lack of acceptance stung a little.

I can't help but think our policies on excommunicating felons, refusing baptism to those on probation, etc. is mostly a perception-driven policy. I'm no scriptorian, but I can't think of a single instance in the scriptures where blessings were withheld based on criminal history/record. If the gift of the Holy Ghost is real and if exercising priesthood has real impact on the lives of the holder and others, is there a group of people that need those gifts more than those who are paying their debt to society?

[BigFatMeanie]

I was just thinking of some reforms I'd love to see Pres. Nelson enact in the Church, and not a lot came to mind (at least, none that are realistic), but one I'd love to see revised is how we treat people who are incarcerated/on probation/on parole.

I taught a guy on my mission who was really thoughtful about the church and eventually committed to being baptized. He was on probation for a unique Oregon law that prohibits shouting/arguing in front of children and therefore couldn't pass his baptism interview. He went to church for a few months after, but I think the lack of acceptance stung a little.

I can't help but think our policies on excommunicating felons, refusing baptism to those on probation, etc. is mostly a perception-driven policy. I'm no scriptorian, but I can't think of a single instance in the scriptures where blessings were withheld based on criminal history/record. If the gift of the Holy Ghost is real and if exercising priesthood has real impact on the lives of the holder and others, is there a group of people that need those gifts more than those who are paying their debt to society?

Have you spent much time talking with those who are called to serve in prison branches or are otherwise called to minister to those who are incarcerated? I haven't, but I know those callings exist. I would be curious to know what their thoughts are on the various policies.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I was just thinking of some reforms I'd love to see Pres. Nelson enact in the Church, and not a lot came to mind (at least, none that are realistic), but one I'd love to see revised is how we treat people who are incarcerated/on probation/on parole.

I taught a guy on my mission who was really thoughtful about the church and eventually committed to being baptized. He was on probation for a unique Oregon law that prohibits shouting/arguing in front of children and therefore couldn't pass his baptism interview. He went to church for a few months after, but I think the lack of acceptance stung a little.

I can't help but think our policies on excommunicating felons, refusing baptism to those on probation, etc. is mostly a perception-driven policy. I'm no scriptorian, but I can't think of a single instance in the scriptures where blessings were withheld based on criminal history/record. If the gift of the Holy Ghost is real and if exercising priesthood has real impact on the lives of the holder and others, is there a group of people that need those gifts more than those who are paying their debt to society?

I had no idea there were any such policies.

[Green Monstah]

I had no idea there were any such policies.

As of 2010 (that's the latest Handbook 1 I could find online), First Presidency approval is necessary to baptize someone who is on Probation/Parole (16.3.14).

Missionaries cannot teach incarcerated persons (same reference), although I think Big Piney is right that there are callings/missions to work in prisons and jails.

High-ranking church leaders (bishop, SP, AA, and GAs) are subject to discipline for certain crimes (tax evasion, embezzlement, fraud, perjury, false swearting), etc., but it's not clear that felons that are not church leaders are automatically disciplined. Often the nature of the crime committed (murder, child abuse, etc.) and not the conviction itself are grounds for excommunication (6.7.2/3).

[YOhio]

President Nelson meets with Pulse nightclub owner.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The elevation of one’s middle initial to sacred upon receiving the call up to the Church tower and meaningless voting. I’ve already received confirmation that neither of these are important to HF.

[Pelado]

The elevation of one’s middle initial to sacred upon receiving the call up to the Church tower and meaningless voting. I’ve already received confirmation that neither of these are important to HF.

I am elevating my left arm in solidarity with your assertion.

[All-American]

The elevation of one’s middle initial to sacred upon receiving the call up to the Church tower and meaningless voting. I’ve already received confirmation that neither of these are important to HF.

If so, then why did you use your middle initial instead of your last?