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[Northwestcoug]

I know. I am in my garments right now. I like that they don't ride up.

You are one weird dude, BM.

[Moliere]

I know. I am in my garments right now. I like that they don't ride up.

Pics or it didn't happen


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[snowcat]

Actually, he didn't really say that


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He didn't say it would be easy, only that it would be worth it.

[CJF]

My first born son appreciates the mention of his birthday, CJF.

Only great comes into the world on May 15th.

[imanihonjin]

I know. I am in my garments right now. I like that they don't ride up.

For reals? Why? Honest question.

[Applejack]

All this talk about GA's salaries being too low, and I agree; for me, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But if you look at it as an economic matter, I think the salaries are astronomical.

What are the job requirements for the Q12?:

- Trustworthy
- Not prone to flights of fancy
- Some serious travel
- Live in SLC
- Speak english
- A LOT of public speaking
- Have a monotonous speaking voice
- Keep the standards of the church
- Don't have a beard

OK, now what are the non-monetary perks?:

- Adulation from friends and family
- Revered as God's mouthpiece by complete strangers
- Get to set the direction (along with 15 other people) of a major world religion
- Your kids and grandkids get to go to BYU for free (right?)
- Those same kids and grandkids will be idolized in Utah as being your kids and grandkids

Given the requirements and the perks, I think there are quite a lot of rich doctors and attorneys who would be willing to do the job for free. Hell, I know a lot that would pay for the privilege.

TL;DR: The church should charge the Q12 a living wage.

[byu71]

All this talk about GA's salaries being too low, and I agree; for me, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But if you look at it as an economic matter, I think the salaries are astronomical.

What are the job requirements for the Q12?:

- Trustworthy
- Not prone to flights of fancy
- Some serious travel
- Live in SLC
- Speak english
- A LOT of public speaking
- Have a monotonous speaking voice
- Keep the standards of the church
- Don't have a beard

OK, now what are the non-monetary perks?:

- Adulation from friends and family
- Revered as God's mouthpiece by complete strangers
- Get to set the direction (along with 15 other people) of a major world religion
- Your kids and grandkids get to go to BYU for free (right?)
- Those same kids and grandkids will be idolized in Utah as being your kids and grandkids

Given the requirements and the perks, I think there are quite a lot of rich doctors and attorneys who would be willing to do the job for free. Hell, I know a lot that would pay for the privilege.

TL;DR: The church should charge the Q12 a living wage.

I am not current on what happens with Mission Presidents in this present day and age. Are they paid or at least their living expenses paid for. I would assume they don't pay rent while in the mission home.

[taekwondave]

He didn't say it would be easy, only that it would be worth it.

"Ayudate que yo te ayudare."

[Jeff Lebowski]

All this talk about GA's salaries being too low, and I agree; for me, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But if you look at it as an economic matter, I think the salaries are astronomical.

What are the job requirements for the Q12?:

- Trustworthy
- Not prone to flights of fancy
- Some serious travel
- Live in SLC
- Speak english
- A LOT of public speaking
- Have a monotonous speaking voice
- Keep the standards of the church
- Don't have a beard

OK, now what are the non-monetary perks?:

- Adulation from friends and family
- Revered as God's mouthpiece by complete strangers
- Get to set the direction (along with 15 other people) of a major world religion
- Your kids and grandkids get to go to BYU for free (right?)
- Those same kids and grandkids will be idolized in Utah as being your kids and grandkids

Given the requirements and the perks, I think there are quite a lot of rich doctors and attorneys who would be willing to do the job for free. Hell, I know a lot that would pay for the privilege.

TL;DR: The church should charge the Q12 a living wage.

Sacrifice my retirement and time with my family? Pass.

[taekwondave]

I am not current on what happens with Mission Presidents in this present day and age. Are they paid or at least their living expenses paid for. I would assume they don't pay rent while in the mission home.

I think they actually get full reimbursements for a whole host of things.

[Moliere]

I think they actually get full reimbursements for a whole host of things.

MPs are given a monthly budget for the mission, which includes their own personal items. It's not large but covers gas, groceries, clothes and other personal items. Their homes are paid for and furnished by the church. They also usually have the use of two mission cars, although I know many in the US will drive to their mission so they have another (nicer) car available for use at all times by the wife/family.

My dad served as a MP and his mission home was nice and big enough to host many missionaries. It was also in a nice neighborhood.

That being said, MP is probably the hardest calling in the church and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not only are you not paid, the plethora of problems that constantly come up are definitely not worth the adulation or deification by the 19-22 year olds. Plus, many MPs are called before they are ready to retire and taking that hiatus does serious damage to job/future income potential.


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[creekster]

Plus, many MPs are called before they are ready to retire and taking that hiatus does serious damage to job/future income potential.

There is a guy I know who was called as an MP at a fairly young age. He was in the midst of a very successful business career and had just been named CEO of a growing company. He left it all behind and took his family to a foreign mission to serve. Upon his return he could not get back to where he was and his career has been very mixed and much more difficult since then. I have never heard him complain, but I have always wondered if he second guesses it.

[PaloAltoCougar]

As has been noted, MPs are given a living allowance, but it's barely enough to cover all living expenses. The few MPs I've been close to have all dipped into personal savings to cover a portion of their mission cost; certainly nobody made money off of what they received from the Church. At their pre-mission interview with a member of the FP, throughout their mission, and then at their release, MPs are consistently told they are responsible for finding post-mission employment and that it won't be with the Church. The damage to careers, like that of creekster's acquaintance, is not unusual.

I respect skeptics for their doubts as to historicity matters; I have no respect for cynics who are convinced there are financial windfalls from Church service.

[Soccermom]

As has been noted, MPs are given a living allowance, but it's barely enough to cover all living expenses. The few MPs I've been close to have all dipped into personal savings to cover a portion of their mission cost; certainly nobody made money off of what they received from the Church. At their pre-mission interview with a member of the FP, throughout their mission, and then at their release, MPs are consistently told they are responsible for finding post-mission employment and that it won't be with the Church. The damage to careers, like that of creekster's acquaintance, is not unusual.

I respect skeptics for their doubts as to historicity matters; I have no respect for cynics who are convinced there are financial windfalls from Church service.

Speaking of MPs, as my son approaches his days of missionary service within the next year, I have this secret hope that you will soon be called as a mission president to the mission my son will be assigned.

[smokymountainrain]

There is a guy I know who was called as an MP at a fairly young age. He was in the midst of a very successful business career and had just been named CEO of a growing company. He left it all behind and took his family to a foreign mission to serve. Upon his return he could not get back to where he was and his career has been very mixed and much more difficult since then. I have never heard him complain, but I have always wondered if he second guesses it.

you pretty much described my MP. called at 39 years of age (edit: he was 41 when called), founder and CEO of a growing company, took 7 kids between the ages of 18 and 3 to serve a foreign mission. Now in his 60s, welders laugh at his $120K salary.