Mormon WikiLeaks (MormonLeaks)

[falafel]

Regardless of anything she might have lied about, Bishop still has a lot of explaining to do about the things he admitted to on that recording.

No argument there. But this might move it from certain rape to eh .... ??

[Northwestcoug]

To ask to be sustained as a prophet, seer and revelatory and then be deceived by one you’ve placed in a prominent position is much different than a bishop not discerning if I’m lying about drinking Fireball and Coors Light with Funkhouser or not. I see a major distinction in those.

Huh. The chain jerking hasn't produced the desired effect yet.

[jay santos]

No argument there. But this might move it from certain rape to eh .... ??

So far in this story, several things she's said have been corroborated, and nothing has been disproven.

[falafel]

So far in this story, several things she's said have been corroborated, and nothing has been disproven.

Yes. And now there's evidence of her saying similar things in the past and some of those being disproved. Or at least not capable of being substantiated.

[Pelado]

I don't post much, probably because I don't think I am a very good writer, but I'll give it a shot here.

Letting the processes run their course is not the problem. The processes ran. The only processes that are running right now are PR ones. The problem I see here is the process followed by the Church and the law failed to address the safety and well being of a disadvantaged woman. From a Church perspective there were many people along the way that dropped the ball, which allowed a predator to remain in a position of power, further compromising the safety of female members. I give exactly zero shits for this old man. I'm mildly perturbed at the defensiveness of the his son, who is in a bad position. I'm bothered by the ex-mo horde opportunists. I'm really irritated by Church members who assume the worst in a justifiably disaffected former member of the Church who at best was sexually assaulted, and at worst outright raped.

As to the victims possible nefarious means of releasing this tape, given the circumstance I'll give her a pass.

I think the comments from the Church are what need to be said at this point. Hopefully the aftermath creates the incentive for the Church respond with positive changes that will help to prevent this in the future.

So, Tick, respectfully I say the way you have portrayed this woman is not only unfair, but downright crappy especially since you have decided to make the judgment without even reading the transcript.

That rarely stops the rest of us.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Sorry if this has been posted. I have been away from the thread for the last day or so.

Bishop's attorney, which is also his son, is pushing back pretty hard against the accuser. He has produced documents (apparently) that show she has a pretty detailed history of claiming sexual assault and other things, only to recant or have authorities conclude she was not being truthful. None of this means that she is not being truthful about Bishop, and perhaps Bishop's actions contributed to these later actions.



http://fox13now.com/2018/03/21/famil...o-allegations/

I don't know maybe she had some trauma in her early adult life that has informed her behavior including the history of "false allegations" that hurt her credibility. I wonder if that trauma could be something like a male in a position of trust grooming her and attempting to rape her. Just a thought.

[old_gregg]

No argument there. But this might move it from certain rape to eh .... ??

swish!

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Doesn't that assume that the prophets seers and revelators always have the electricity flowing, so to speak? Seems like an unreasonable assumption.

No, my statement does not say that.

[falafel]

No, my statement does not say that.

But doesn't it assume that....?

[falafel]

I don't know maybe she had some trauma in her early adult life that has informed her behavior including the history of "false allegations" that hurt her credibility. I wonder if that trauma could be something like a male in a position of trust grooming her and attempting to rape her. Just a thought.

Yeah, I said that same thing in the post you just quoted.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

But doesn't it assume that....?

No.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No.

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. The stakes are higher therefore it is reasonable to expect perfection?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Another woman.

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/faith/lds-church-indicates-another-woman-has-alleged-abuse-by-former/article_01929562-3ef2-53b1-a09e-7175c295f188.html

The statement indicates the church is now aware of another woman, who informed her local ecclesiastical leaders she was sexually abused by Joseph Bishop while he served as president of the Missionary Training Center.

[tooblue]

Another woman.

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/loc...5c295f188.html

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900013796/lds-church-says-a-second-missionary-made-sexual-abuse-allegation-against-former-mtc-president.html

I am as adamant a defender of the church as you will find, and always will be. I stated I was willing to wait for more info before commenting further. This is why his name was released. Leaders who did not act should be disciplined themselves.

"We continue to urge our leaders to take reports of abuse very seriously," the news release said. "Leaders should call the church's abuse helpline, which has been established to assure that victims are cared for and that abuse reporting laws are strictly obeyed."

[PaloAltoCougar]

I need to stop thinking about this, because another reason I loathe this despicable human being is because I hate feeling the way I do when I personalize this. If I had dropped off a daughter at the MTC, and learned later this predatory SOB in the highest position of trust had attempted to molest her, my reaction would have fallen far short of Christ-like, and I hate that he's had that effect on me and so many others. I'd be fine with imposing the severest of legal and ecclesiastical penalties for the remainder of this life, and let him try to work things out in the next one.