Question for believers

[taekwondave]

I thought I did.

I guess you did, I just didn't like the answer. You are relieved of your duty.

[taekwondave]

That's seems a little out there to me. As one of them, why would I doubt your sincerity?

To answer your question, here is what Iman said to me right at the beginning of this thread when I first asked my question:

"I don't really care whether you do or you don't trust your spiritual confirmations, but I kinda think you are being a prick for asking this question. You aren't being sincere, nor are you actually willing to listen to what anyone has to offer you. You are merely looking for another avenue to be combative about the church and its teachings. If that is your goal, fine, have at it, but don't pose a question as if you are actually willing to engage in a conversation on the subject."

That might be why.

[Bo Diddley]

I guess you did, I just didn't like the answer. You are relieved of your duty. It doesn't fit the narrative of where I want to go with this.

No problem. It was nice chatting with you.

[taekwondave]

No problem. It was nice chatting with you.

Whoa. Reign it in bro. I was just being polite because you seemed disinterested in continuing. Your answers had nothing to do with my original question. They were dodgy and evasive. But you can claim some kind of victory if that's what you were looking for here.

[Bo Diddley]

Whoa. Reign it in bro. I was just being polite because you seemed disinterested in continuing. Your answers had nothing to do with my original question. They were dodgy and evasive. But you can claim some kind of victory if that's what you were looking for here.

Your choice of words betray your motives. I was completely sincere.

[taekwondave]

Your choice of words betray your motives. I was completely sincere.

Oh and I totally believe you.

[Bo Diddley]

Oh and I totally believe you.

That's an interesting statement. What did you find insincere?

[Omaha 680]

To answer your question, here is what Iman said to me right at the beginning of this thread when I first asked my question:

"I don't really care whether you do or you don't trust your spiritual confirmations, but I kinda think you are being a prick for asking this question. You aren't being sincere, nor are you actually willing to listen to what anyone has to offer you. You are merely looking for another avenue to be combative about the church and its teachings. If that is your goal, fine, have at it, but don't pose a question as if you are actually willing to engage in a conversation on the subject."

That might be why.

So a knee jerk response by one of the most combative posters here is being used as evidence that most if not all TBMs doubt your sincerity, and Bo Diddley in particular doubts it? I thought you wanted to play the part of the rational one in these discussions.

[taekwondave]

That's an interesting statement. What did you find insincere?

Don't worry, bro. It wouldn't fit the narrative of where you want to go with this.

[Jarid in Cedar]

You trust your spiritual experiences because they are yours. No one else had them for you. No one else told you how to interpret them. No one but you can tell you what they mean our what they may represent.

[CardiacCoug]

If you believe the church is true because you have prayed and received a spiritual confirmation that it's true, how do you reconcile the fact that members of other churches pray to know if their churches are true and receive spiritual confirmation that they are as well?

That's a clown question Bro.

I was looking forward to reading something at least slightly thought-provoking or interesting.

[taekwondave]

You trust your spiritual experiences because they are yours. No one else had them for you. No one else told you how to interpret them. No one but you can tell you what they mean our what they may represent.

Hm. It sounds good, but I'm not sure it's true: While nobody else has had MY experiences specifically, I've definitely used the spiritual experiences of others to help me make sense of my own. We don't really live in a vacuum with this stuff. Not if we were raised Mormon anyway. And we ARE told there is this thing called a testimony, we ARE told what it's like, we ARE told how to get it, when we aren't sure we got it we ARE told to say we did and that soon we would (MTC, anybody?). I don't know that we can really separate our own spiritual experiences from those around us, can we? After all, faith comes by hearing. We first gain the knowledge of spiritual experience and their significance by those of our prophets and our parents, etc. So I just don't know if what you said, although it rings pretty, is really accurate. Not from my experience anyway, and if it is for you, then I gotta wonder where the hell you came from.

[taekwondave]

That's a clown question Bro.

I was looking forward to reading something at least slightly thought-provoking or interesting.

Ok.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Hm. It sounds good, but I'm not sure it's true: While nobody else has had MY experiences specifically, I've definitely used the spiritual experiences of others to help me make sense of my own. We don't really live in a vacuum with this stuff. Not if we were raised Mormon anyway. And we ARE told there is this thing called a testimony, we ARE told what it's like, we ARE told how to get it, when we aren't sure we got it we ARE told to say we did and that soon we would (MTC, anybody?). I don't know that we can really separate our own spiritual experiences from those around us, can we? After all, faith comes by hearing. We first gain the knowledge of spiritual experience and their significance by those of our prophets and our parents, etc. So I just don't know if what you said, although it rings pretty, is really accurate. Not from my experience anyway, and if it is for you, then I gotta wonder where the hell you came from.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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[clackamascoug]

Should read "an" but this works.