The CES Letter

[Green Monstah]

I have a very simple paradigm: The church is clearly a mishmash of the human and the divine. You can take the cynical route and let the human part spoil it for you or you can spend a lifetime sifting out and finding joy in the divine.

Well said.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Whatever. It's not like one of them is a bishop or something.

Not so fast. Moliere is only a wing man.

[SeattleUte]

I have a very simple paradigm: The church is clearly a mishmash of the human and the divine. You can take the cynical route and let the human part spoil it for you or you can spend a lifetime sifting out and finding joy in the divine.

The human part is clear. The divine part, not so much. You're just making a bald assertion.

[Pelado]

Yes. I was just explaining this to someone today.

Actually, I should amend about Levin. I don't know what he really believes. All I know about him is that he's an obnoxious troll who cares more about an antagonizing Sooner and Cardiac Taylor Swift than nourishing their since childhood friendship anything else.

fify

[creekster]

The human part is clear. The divine part, not so much. You're just making a bald assertion.

How about the profane and the transcendent?

[Jeff Lebowski]

The human part is clear. The divine part, not so much. You're just making a bald assertion.

It's clear to me.

[TripletDaddy]

It was Levin's thread. He asked something like how can smart guys like Pac, etc. continue to believe in the LDS Church--of course he said it as a believer. I think the types of exchanges that this letter to the CES represents are foolish in much the same way I think LDS apologetics is foolish.

He also named me specifically in that group.

[Pelado]

The human part is clear. The divine part, not so much. You're just making a bald assertion.

It's clear to me.

SU has become accustomed to the dark and dreary skies above Seattle. It's negatively affected his ability to clearly perceive the divine.

[Jeff Lebowski]

SU has become accustomed to the dark and dreary skies above Seattle. It's negatively affected his ability to clearly perceive the divine.

Somewhere down in the deepest darkest recesses of SU's soul, there is a small light still flickering, waiting to be fanned into a blaze. I am sure of it.

[SeattleUte]

It's clear to me.

Let me withdraw that last sentence. It's my policy not to attack anyone's faith. I'm actually totally uninterested in faith, whether pro or con.

[CardiacCoug]

I think if you're asking yourself if things in the Bible, BofA, BofM, First Vision etc. are literally true then you are missing the point. Religion is a metaphor. I don't believe in any of the supernatural stuff but I think it's fine to believe part or all of the supernatural stuff for those who are so inclined.

For me it's all about extracting the emotionally and psychologically true things out of religion that help me be a happier and better person. Something in the scriptures or a conference talk that is factually false can be profoundly true and inspiring from a psychological/emotional perspective.

[wuapinmon]

He also named me specifically in that group.

None of us "so-called academics" got mentioned. We peer-reviewed the list and decided that Levin wouldn't know intelligence if God created it.

[Walter Sobchak]

SU has become accustomed to the dark and dreary skies above Seattle. It's negatively affected his ability to clearly perceive the divine.

IKR! Seattle has super bad weather... like the worst!

[creekster]

Let me withdraw that last sentence. It's my policy not to attack anyone's faith. I'm actually totally uninterested in faith, whether pro or con.

I think this is a wholly inaccurate statement. First you have attacked people for matters of faith before, although I will not get into a debate about that here. Second, faith in a belief is one of the most powerful forces shaping our word right now. I suspect you have plenty of opinions about that.

[smokymountainrain]

I think this is a wholly inaccurate statement. First you have attacked people for matters of faith before, although I will not get into a debate about that here. Second, faith in a belief is one of the most powerful forces shaping our word right now. I suspect you have plenty of opinions about that.