Masochistic Progmos?

[Jeff Lebowski]

You know you're experiencing a metaphysical mutation when statements made in writing just a few years back appear quaint.

I thought it was hilarious at the time. We all did!

[Eddie]

Well, yeah, Dallin is in favor of marriage legally defined as being between a man and a woman with government involved but given the way things are going I think he would quickly come around to a more Libertarian way of doing things. I don't see the LDS church recognizing same sex marriages while he is alive, however.

Dallin is a lawyer and was a supreme court justice at that. Of COURSE he thinks that government should somehow be involved in making and enforcing laws related to this...along with everything else!

[Jeff Lebowski]

And guess what: About everybody here agrees with me, just as do most of educated or reasonably informed and intellectually honest people worldwide.Take a look at Lebowski's recent contributions to the historicity thread.

And by the way, I am happier and more at peace with respect to the church than I have been in many years. And you know those "magical experiences" that you claim never get shared here? I have them all the time.

[Commando]

And by the way, I am happier and more at peace with respect to the church than I have been in many years. And you know those "magical experiences" that you claim never get shared here? I have them all the time.

SU JL

[TripletDaddy]

lol. I'm not at peace with my decision because I don't regard anyone who believes the Book of Mormon is a genuine ancient record of actual ancient history to be intellectually honest or I don't regard them to be educated or even reasonably informed? I don't follow your logic. And guess what: About everybody here agrees with me, just as do most of educated or reasonably informed and intellectually honest people worldwide.Take a look at Lebowski's recent contributions to the historicity thread.

In another post you speculated that it might be "guilt" that fires my critique of Mormonism. My friend, you are a product of your generation. Fortunately, you see less and less among even LDS statements such as yours that anyone who has demonstrable, articulable, concrete and specific reasons for criticizing the LDS institution -- again, reasons not outside the mainstream of educated or informed Americans including millions of Mormons themselves --must be afflicted with a character defect.

Remember when Black Diamond Bay once said that she dated a boy who had apostatized and determined that he was possessed of an evil spirit? lol.

Haha. I miss bdb. She was cool.

i remember she once claimed that the USC campus was covered in graffiti that read "f*** the police."

She was a total banshee. Miss that girl.

[Katy Lied]

Crazy. Everyone knows Compton is like, 10 miles from USC.

[LA Ute]

Yep. My favorite part of being in a ward is being able to minister to people, whether it's a blessing or simply to pay them a visit. Letting people know they are loved and accepted is (or at least should be) the foundation of Christianity. Mormons are far from perfect in this regard, but we are good at it and always improving.

I hate to give you the kiss of death by agreeing with you, but I do.

Actually, I don't hate doing this at all.

[Uncle Ted]

Then the question is not for you (I have a lot of interest in that position though. The practical side of me thinks it has a snowball's chance, but I wouldn't be opposed to that in the slightest).

It will be interesting to see where the following goes...

Alabama Senate Passes Bill to Effectively Nullify All Sides on Marriage

This week, the Alabama state Senate passed a bill that would end the practice of licensing marriages in the state, effectively nullifying both major sides of the contentious national debate over government-sanctioned marriage.


Introduced by Sen. Greg Albritton (R-Bay Minette), Senate Bill 377 (SB377) would end state issued marriage licenses, while providing marriage contracts as an alternative. It passed through the Alabama state Senate by a 22-3 margin on May 19.


“When you invite the state into those matters of personal or religious import, it creates difficulties,” Sen. Albritton said about his bill in April. “Go back long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away. Early twentieth century, if you go back and look and try to find marriage licenses for your grandparents or great grandparents, you won’t find it. What you will find instead is where people have come in and recorded when a marriage has occurred.”


The bill would replace all references to marriages “licenses” in state law with “contracts.” The legislation would not invalidate any marriage licenses issued prior to the bill being passed.
[...]

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com...s-on-marriage/

[Maximus]

It will be interesting to see where the following goes...


http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com...s-on-marriage/

so it doesnt do anything but replace a word?

[Uncle Ted]

so it doesnt do anything but replace a word?

A bit more than that... Parties wanting to get married or engage in some similar religious act would file a marriage contract that is signed by each of the parties and the two adult witnesses with the state probate office. The state would not issue marriage licenses. I imagine the marriage contract would be similar to some sort of prenuptial agreement.

[Topper]

It will be interesting to see where the following goes...


http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com...s-on-marriage/

This has been my position for some time. Get the state out of the marriage business!

[byu71]

A bit more than that... Parties wanting to get married or engage in some similar religious act would file a marriage contract that is signed by each of the parties and the two adult witnesses with the state probate office. The state would not issue marriage licenses. I imagine the marriage contract would be similar to some sort of prenuptial agreement.

Marriage has become nothing more than a legal contract. It is like being issued a drivers permit. With the piece of paper you have legal rights a single person may not have.

[YOhio]

Marriage has become nothing more than a legal contract. It is like being issued a drivers permit. With the piece of paper you have legal rights a single person may not have.

Exactly. It's nothing more than a legal contract that gives you additional rights and allows you to drive with a licensed passenger.

[SeattleUte]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/op...l-right-region

As to civil liberties issues, Catholics worldwide are rebelling even against this cool, loveable, and pragmatic pope. Whither the Mormons vis-à-vis their dogmatic gerontocracy?

[SeattleUte]

Marriage has become nothing more than a legal contract. It is like being issued a drivers permit. With the piece of paper you have legal rights a single person may not have.

Because same sex marriage has destroyed the institution? Is that your point?