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[YOhio]

I have no idea about your LDS pedigree. But those like 3D and FMCoug who didn't arrive at the LDS Church following seven generations of devout membership have no idea the psychic scars and wounds some of us bear.

You should read this great talk by President Hinckley. Something to think about.

I thought of an experience I had long, long ago. In the summer we lived on a farm. We had a little old tractor. There was a dead tree I wished to pull. I fastened one end of a chain to the tractor and the other end to the tree. As the tractor began to move, the tree shook a little, and then the chain broke.

I looked at that broken link and wondered how it could have given way. I went to the hardware store and bought a repair link. I put it together again, but it was an awkward and ugly connection. The chain was never, never the same.

As I sat in the celestial room of the temple pondering these things, I said to myself, “Never permit yourself to become a weak link in the chain of your generations.” It is so important that we pass on without a blemish our inheritance of body and brain and, if you please, faith and virtue untarnished to the generations who will come after us.

You young men and you young women, most of you will marry and have children. Your children will have children, as will the children who come after them. Life is a great chain of generations that we in the Church believe must be linked together.

I fear there will be some broken links. Do not let yourself become such, I pray.

Stay close to the Church. Stay close all of your lives. It really does not matter where you serve, what office you fill. There is no small or unimportant duty in this Church and in the kingdom of God.

http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=342

[Dwight Schr-ute]

You should read this great talk by President Hinckley. Something to think about.



http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=342

So, if you become one of the most beloved prophets of the restoration, does that just blemish the rest of your chain? No one likes a stand out; for better or worse.

[Solon]

they tried that with groups like WAVE and other organizations, but they got absolutely no response from the Mormon community or the corporate church. We can criticize OW for their approach, and tactics, but for a year's worth of activity they produced some serious results. Never underestimate the power of a fringe group that demands to be heard.

Good point.

You really think that Queer Nation and Act Up were more instrumental than images of say, a pair of 60-year old lesbians who have been monogamous for 40 years wanting to will their property to each other? I think Queer Nation delayed the marriage question for 10 years.

I think we need more time to pass before we can really start to unravel the real watershed moments in the gay-rights movement, and the SSM movement within the movement; after all, it's all ongoing. However, I have no problem putting all of those mentioned parties within the category of "organized minority". Malcolm X, MLK, & RFK all had different conceptions of & roles in the AA Civil Rights movement, but they are broadly lumped together among the agitators for change & reform.

[SeattleUte]

You should read this great talk by President Hinckley. Something to think about.



http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=342

I'm proud to follow the example of JS, JC, Paul, Spinoza, Thomas Paine, Nietzche, and every other "weak link" that walked away from all those prior generations of blood sweat and tears.

[Mormon Red Death]

I'm proud to follow the example of JS, JC, Paul, Spinoza, Thomas Paine, Nietzche, and every other "weak link" that walked away from all those prior generations of blood sweat and tears.

All you need is sitting bull and Dr. Martin Luther King and you could be a renegade of funk.

[YOhio]

I'm proud to follow the example of JS, JC, Paul, Spinoza, Thomas Paine, Nietzche, and every other "weak link" that walked away from all those prior generations of blood sweat and tears.

I agree that we should all strive to follow the example of JC. It's something I fall short of every day, yet my efforts continue.

[TripletDaddy]

I'm proud to follow the example of JS, JC, Paul, Spinoza, Thomas Paine, Nietzche, and every other "weak link" that walked away from all those prior generations of blood sweat and tears.

Tell me more about Espinoza. Why am I not surprised that he walked away from blood, sweat, and what sounds like a lot of hard work?

[creekster]

Tell me more about Espinoza. Why am I not surprised that he walked away from blood, sweat, and what sounds like a lot of hard work?

Look, I admitted my mistake.

[pellegrino]

This. This is where I'd think they could get some momentum for a movement. But I guess that's not what they want.

http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...67#post1107767

[New Mexican Disaster]

All you need is sitting bull and Dr. Martin Luther King and you could be a renegade of funk.

:rockon2:

[Clark Addison]

I have now had two people who work for me ask about this. One, mentioned earlier, saw it on Fox News, and the other read a blurb about it in "The Week" magazine. FWIW, both are fairly religious, one is a Catholic raised, now Presbytarian, the other Methodist. Both are female. And both sided with Sr. Kelly.

[Commando]

All you need is sitting bull and Dr. Martin Luther King and you could be a renegade of funk.

I'm sure you left SU all but I sure appreciated that.

[Omaha 680]

All you need is sitting bull and Dr. Martin Luther King and you could be a renegade of funk.

This made me go listen to that song on Amazon. Hadn't heard it in years.

[LVAllen]

Lest this issue go quietly into that good night..

Kate Kelly provided some explanation as to the perceived inconsistencies.
- When she met with her SP in December, her Bishop pretty much didn't say anything. SP dominated the conversation, as some here speculated.
- The May 5 meeting with the SP didn't include the Bishop, so she never met with just the Bishop regarding OW.
- She got an email on May 6 which basically said the SP might announce the result of the disciplinary council to "correct the public record" regarding her standing in the church. This, despite her requesting the entire thing be confidential. So, since she thought it was going to be announced at some point anyway, she released information about it.
- Bishop didn't request the move restriction, SP did.
http://ordainwomen.org/carry-on/

Overall, this smells like a SP-or-higher-ordered witchhunt. The bishop was just the guy who they had deliver the news, since no other option was available to him.

[SoonerCoug]

Lest this issue go quietly into that good night..

Kate Kelly provided some explanation as to the perceived inconsistencies.
- When she met with her SP in December, her Bishop pretty much didn't say anything. SP dominated the conversation, as some here speculated.
- The May 5 meeting with the SP didn't include the Bishop, so she never met with just the Bishop regarding OW.
- She got an email on May 6 which basically said the SP might announce the result of the disciplinary council to "correct the public record" regarding her standing in the church. This, despite her requesting the entire thing be confidential. So, since she thought it was going to be announced at some point anyway, she released information about it.
- Bishop didn't request the move restriction, SP did.
http://ordainwomen.org/carry-on/

Overall, this smells like a SP-or-higher-ordered witchhunt. The bishop was just the guy who they had deliver the news, since no other option was available to him.

This is also supported by the fact that the SP spoke in sacrament meeting in that ward after the excommunication saying that Bishop Harrison was being persecuted for doing the right thing. (SP standing up for Harrison, who did the higher leaders' dirty work.)