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[imanihonjin]

Tex is focusing on the negative. This is what he wants everyone here to remember every single day:



Sorry, Tex, Im going to pass on your challenge. You can continue to dwell in the muck, I'm moving on.

You are a moran and possibly an idiot also, but I say this respectfully because I would like you to feel free to continue posting your inane blathering here!

[Pelado]

Just doubt your doubts, man.

I'll get right on that.

I haven't followed this all that closely, to be honest, but I don't think it is the asking questions that is a problem. I think it is a bigger issue when someone comes to the conclusion that they know the answer and that they now need to convince the prophet/apostles that they are right.

The imperative name notwithstanding, OW's primary request does not seem that much different from the explanatory headers for half of the Doctrine & Covenants - such and such member asks the Prophet to inquire of the Lord, the Prophet goes and inquires, and returns with a revelation (that was later edited).

Honest question. Do you think that Kate Kelly was merely asking other about serious or sensitive questions?

I haven't seen her doing anything else. What else do you think she's doing?

[Topper]

The community is an imperfect but beautiful community.

I believe the church if it opened itself up to full priesthood benefits and cease being homophobic could win the hearts and minds of many younger people with what it has to offer. Instead of evolving through revelation it retrenches predictably. That fact makes it easy to wonder if any meaningful inspiration is left within its leadership. What major decisions has leadership gotten right?

We squandered political capital during prop eight and will look bad to potential recruits due to sexism. I know they have it in them to do the right thing.

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[imanihonjin]

I'll get right on that.



The imperative name notwithstanding, OW's primary request does not seem that much different from the explanatory headers for half of the Doctrine & Covenants - such and such member asks the Prophet to inquire of the Lord, the Prophet goes and inquires, and returns with a revelation (that was later edited).



I haven't seen her doing anything else. What else do you think she's doing?

I think she has been advocating a certain position.

[TripletDaddy]

You are a moran and possibly an idiot also, but I say this respectfully because I would like you to feel free to continue posting your inane blathering here!

it is way too late. dont think everyone else didnt notice your lack of comeback earlier. it was very embarrassing for you.

[Pelado]

I think she has been advocating a certain position.

Well I've heard she's an attorney, so that's not all that surprising.

[imanihonjin]

it is way too late. dont think everyone else didnt notice your lack of comeback earlier. it was very embarrassing for you.

I am so happy that you took me up on the offer to continue posing your inane blathering.

[Blueintheface]

I am so happy that you took me up on the offer to continue posing your inane blathering.

DDD is nothing if not a poser.

[SeattleUte]

Just listened to Uchtdorf's Oct 2013 talk "Come, Join with Us" again. This should be regular required listening for you folks. "Regular" as in "every day."

https://www.lds.org/general-conferen...th-us?lang=eng

You mean like Mao's little red book?

[SeattleUte]

I found this in Wikipedia's article on patriarchy:

However James DeMeo argues that a specific initiating event [for patriarchy] does exist: the geographical record shows that climate change around 4000 BCE led to famines in the Sahara, Arabian peninsula and what are now the Central Asian deserts which then resulted in the adoption of warlike, patriarchal structures in order to secure food sources: "Famine, starvation and mass-migrations related to land-abandonment severely traumatised the originally peaceful and sex-positive inhabitants of those lands, inducing a distinct turning away from original matrism towards patristic forms of behaviour."

Maybe as with polygamy God had a reason for initiating patriarchy and now that we're in the tech age and brawn isn't so important it's time for a new revelation, this time one eliminating patriarchy. We tend to forget that these venerable people in the Old Testament lived over 3000 years ago. I'm just saying...

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Jeffery Westover keeps going. An Open Letter to Kate Kelly

And we’ve had it *up to here* with the Ordain Women influence.
Our eldest is in her late 20s and living on her own in Salt Lake City. Like you, she is a returned missionary, strong in the Church, trying hard to fit in a world of men.
She has a former roommate and good friend – also a returned missionary – who began her journey away from the Church with Ordain Women, as it was launched.
This friend didn’t think she felt discriminated against or disenfranchised as a woman in the Church until she heard your arguments. She connected with many of the sources and adherents you list on your website and she is now, under their influence, completely apostate.
She regularly posts anti-Mormon material to her social media outlets and has alienated most of her friends and family. She is bitter, depressed, and even suicidal at times. My daughter continues to reach out to her but it is tough going.

Many a night I have listened to my daughter weep over the friends she has lost to Ordain Women, folks who no longer talk to her or treat her the same because they know where she stands, as an endowed woman in the Church.
They join Ordain Women and they become agitated, fierce, mouthy, rude and mean-spirited. Again, not all, but some.

My three youngest daughters – ages 16, 14 and 12 – are dealing with Ordain Women, too.
There is a lot of pressure on them to conform to the idea. Just as pressure is great to support gay marriage, so too is pressure on them to fight for ordination of women.
The younger they are the more silent they are about it – they just don’t want to rock the boat with anyone.
I see all my girls – in their various stages of development – facing the arguments of Ordain Women in their daily lives. Thanks to you for that.
Priesthood was never an issue before.
Seriously, it wasn’t. Ever.

You claim that all you are asking for is for the prophet to petition the Lord for a revelation on this matter.
Is that how it works?
Why aren’t you praying about this? Why aren’t you petitioning the Lord? Is not your prayer as efficacious as the prophet’s?
Can you not receive revelation for yourself?
Or are you asking the prophet to pray for revelation for the whole church to ordain women?
I think you are. And that’s a misguided notion – no, not of priesthood, but of revelation.
It runs completely contrary to the established pattern of revelation. What’s next? Five percent tithing? Temple recommends for child molesters? Do we need to merely back the Lord into a corner to get what we want, spiritually speaking?
And riddle me this: what if you are successful and actually get the Prophet to pray for ordination and he receives a revelation and the answer is…no? What then?
I think you have it completely backwards, Sister Kelly.
If the Lord has something to reveal won’t he do it in his time?
I know you like to harken back to the 1978 revelation extending the priesthood to blacks. Perhaps that inspires you.
But I think your lens of history is tweaked in regards to that.
That revelation came not because President Kimball prayed for it. He didn’t pray for blacks to get the priesthood. He prayed to know the Lord’s will concerning it. President Kimball was clear that he would do whatever the Lord revealed, regardless of what the answer was.
Would you? Honestly?
That revelation came not after a movement – it came after generations of praying for it.
Read your history. I highly recommend Edward Kimball’s 2nd biography of his father that describes the process by which that revelation came and the angst about the issue at the highest level of the church for generations.
Your cause lacks a lot of that.
Besides, the question here isn’t priesthood so much as it is revelation — church wide and even world wide revelation.
As has been the Lord’s pattern, whether with blacks or polygamy, He waited until the furor died. He stayed the course.

[Pelado]

What’s next? Five percent tithing?

TitheFive.org - who's with me?

[Flystripper]

TitheFive.org - who's with me?

I think it should be .net instead of .org

[Pheidippides]

Jeffery Westover keeps going. An Open Letter to Kate Kelly

I can't take him seriously until he gets on a podcast.

[MarkGrace]

I think it should be .net instead of .org