Latest Stats and Facts on Punography

[Jeff Lebowski]

I read the article and felt like it was well done and reasonable. You can't sum the article up in one sentence. I'd contest that porn is evil and not just from a religious standpoint. I think the government had a reasonable role in limiting and regulating porn, mainly because it can have adverse affects on people, especially young developing minds, and it also results in the objectification of women.

I'm also glad there is research out there that shows that religions are doing more harm than good by claiming every male is addicted to porn. I'm glad the church is taking a step back and now a church sponsored school is basically calling out past church teachings as harmful. Good stuff all around.


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Dude, that kind of rational, even-handed response will not result in a good podcast!

[myboynoah]

I read the article and felt like it was well done and reasonable. You can't sum the article up in one sentence. I'd contest that porn is evil and not just from a religious standpoint. I think the government had a reasonable role in limiting and regulating porn, mainly because it can have adverse affects on people, especially young developing minds, and it also results in the objectification of women.

I'm also glad there is research out there that shows that religions are doing more harm than good by claiming every male is addicted to porn. I'm glad the church is taking a step back and now a church sponsored school is basically calling out past church teachings as harmful. Good stuff all around.


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Are you saying that is what The Church was teaching? That every male is addicted to porn? I must have missed it.

[Northwestcoug]

I read the article and felt like it was well done and reasonable. You can't sum the article up in one sentence. I'd contest that porn is evil and not just from a religious standpoint. I think the government had a reasonable role in limiting and regulating porn, mainly because it can have adverse affects on people, especially young developing minds, and it also results in the objectification of women.

I'm also glad there is research out there that shows that religions are doing more harm than good by claiming every male is addicted to porn. I'm glad the church is taking a step back and now a church sponsored school is basically calling out past church teachings as harmful. Good stuff all around.

You sure that the church is taking a step back? If porn is evil (so much so that government should regulate it), then the church has every right to rail against it. Why wouldn't you want church backup to help youth deal with it?

Also, when did the church claim everyone is addicted to porn? I think they've pretty much given a nod to the concept that consumption equals addiction, which I guess would cover most men anyways. But not everyone

[Goatnapper'96]

You sure that the church is taking a step back? If porn is evil (so much so that government should regulate it), then the church has every right to rail against it. Why wouldn't you want church backup to help youth deal with it?

Also, when did the church claim everyone is addicted to porn? I think they've pretty much given a nod to the concept that consumption equals addiction, which I guess would cover most men anyways. But not everyone

I don't know if it was local but I recall hearing a talk where the speaker went to lengths to distinguish the difference between pornography abuse (i.e. looking at it) and being "addicted" to porn - where one is so consumed with porn it can take over your life- I guess like being addicted.

The proliferation of pornography accompanied the proliferation of the internet and the Church and its leaders were trying to figure out how it impacts lives. It tends to be human nature, and likely more pronounced amongst religious folks anticipating the end of the world, to overreact initially.

[Northwestcoug]

I don't know if it was local but I recall hearing a talk where the speaker went to lengths to distinguish the difference between pornography abuse (i.e. looking at it) and being "addicted" to porn - where one is so consumed with porn it can take over your life- I guess like being addicted.

The proliferation of pornography accompanied the proliferation of the internet and the Church and its leaders were trying to figure out how it impacts lives. It tends to be human nature, and likely more pronounced amongst religious folks anticipating the end of the world, to overreact initially.

I agree with this. Pornography has been a constant in human society. It is reasonable to conclude that the internet made the negative effects of pornography more pervasive. As far as how much it negatively impacts people depends on the person consuming it. There is a type of personality that will struggle with depression and addictive habits if they start to believe the worst about their porn habits.

[Moliere]

Are you saying that is what The Church was teaching? That every male is addicted to porn? I must have missed it.

I was using hyperbole. The church has had, and still has, a very liberal definition of porn addiction. They seem to be backing off of that but not relenting on the "porn is bad" standard, which is a standard I agree with. Now, if we can only help the church members realize that showing a boobie in one scene doesn't make a movie porn.


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[Jeff Lebowski]

I agree with this. Pornography has been a constant in human society. It is reasonable to conclude that the internet made the negative effects of pornography more pervasive. As far as how much it negatively impacts people depends on the person consuming it. There is a type of personality that will struggle with depression and addictive habits if they start to believe the worst about their porn habits.

No it hasn't.

Never before in human history have erotic images been so readily available. Just the click of a button. It is going to take us a while to figure out a healthy equilibrium with this new reality. We aren't there yet.

[Moliere]

I agree with this. Pornography has been a constant in human society. It is reasonable to conclude that the internet made the negative effects of pornography more pervasive. As far as how much it negatively impacts people depends on the person consuming it. There is a type of personality that will struggle with depression and addictive habits if they start to believe the worst about their porn habits.

Which is why regulation is necessary and not an outright ban.


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[Goatnapper'96]

I was using hyperbole. The church has had, and still has, a very liberal definition of porn addiction. They seem to be backing off of that but not relenting on the "porn is bad" standard, which is a standard I agree with. Now, if we can only help the church members realize that showing a boobie in one scene doesn't make a movie porn.


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A wise man who once had the Holy Ghost defined porn as anything that gets your heart rate increasing. Or maybe that was just inappropriate material. I wasn't there I am only going off of what I read.

[Goatnapper'96]

I agree with this. Pornography has been a constant in human society. It is reasonable to conclude that the internet made the negative effects of pornography more pervasive. As far as how much it negatively impacts people depends on the person consuming it. There is a type of personality that will struggle with depression and addictive habits if they start to believe the worst about their porn habits.

I think those overreactive personality types are probably disproportionally represented in religious communities - both amongst members and leadership. Hence the overeaction being driven by both the personalities of those of you merry men in charge and the fact that much of the data being reported up the line was folks wallowing in misery over their own challenges which they represented as incurable addictions. Then eventually came some common sense which was - having the desire to be waxing some ass ain't the enemy here folks. Without these younguns wanting to get down and dirty the rest of us won't have any Social Security payees, the key is to help/guide and preach the youth and older folks to have age and emotionally appropriate relationships. If you have gone down the road of porn then stop it and the atonement can and will make you whole.

[HBCoug]

No it hasn't.

Never before in human history have erotic images been so readily available. Just the click of a button. It is going to take us a while to figure out a healthy equilibrium with this new reality. We aren't there yet.

Perhaps it could be better stated to say, "rubbing one out has been a constant in human society." True that prior to the late 90s, people didn't have the ability to pull up an explicit photo or video with the tap of a button on their phones, but they have always found something to satisfy the need. Porn is a means to an end. I don't recall Sears catalogs, high school yearbooks, or Paula Abdul's "Opposites Attract" music video receiving the same scrutiny as pornography even though all were perfectly suitable mediums by which to release the hostages. So if people in the church are using porn to fire off some knuckle children, is the problem the porn itself or is the issue the act of masturbation? I know there isn't a person on this board who doesn't masturbate, so good on ya if you accomplish it by other means than pornography.

[Northwestcoug]

No it hasn't.

Never before in human history have erotic images been so readily available. Just the click of a button. It is going to take us a while to figure out a healthy equilibrium with this new reality. We aren't there yet.

Really?!? Erotic images haven't been produced for millennia? I'm pretty sure there's a popular adult tour through Pompeii.

I don't think that's what you're saying. Because it's a safe argument that porn has existed for a long time. I'm not arguing that it's been as pervasive as it is now.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Perhaps it could be better stated to say, "rubbing one out has been a constant in human society." True that prior to the late 90s, people didn't have the ability to pull up an explicit photo or video with the tap of a button on their phones, but they have always found something to satisfy the need. Porn is a means to an end. I don't recall Sears catalogs, high school yearbooks, or Paula Abdul's "Opposites Attract" music video receiving the same scrutiny as pornography even though all were perfectly suitable mediums by which to release the hostages. So if people in the church are using porn to fire off some knuckle children, is the problem the porn itself or is the issue the act of masturbation? I know there isn't a person on this board who doesn't masturbate, so good on ya if you accomplish it by other means than pornography.

If looking back through history takes you all the way to Sears catalogs and high school yearbooks (weak comparison, btw), then I would say you and I have a different understanding of what constitutes human history.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Really?!? Erotic images haven't been produced for millennia? I'm pretty sure there's a popular adult tour through Pompeii.

I don't think that's what you're saying. Because it's a safe argument that porn has existed for a long time. I'm not arguing that it's been as pervasive as it is now.

I went on that tour last year! We got a good laugh.

I took a few pics.

[old_gregg]

If looking back through history takes you all the way to Sears catalogs and high school yearbooks (weak comparison, btw), then I would say you and I have a different understanding of what constitutes human history.

bro the historicity of erotica is not really controversial