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  • There is a law irrevocably decreed in heaven yada yada....It works well with NWC's comments about the old LDS view on the pre-existence. I recall the wrestle I had reconciling what just happened after I witnessed my wife give birth to our youngest son-now 17. He was 12 lbs 7 oz at birth. That is large. It looked like a wet St Bernard coming through a doggie door. I can recall the anxiety/horror I was feeling when she was giving birth to him. Nobody knew he would be that big until after he crowned. It was too late then to have him untimely ripped. Folks came out of the woodwork and it being our 3rd delivery, one of which was twins, there were many more people in that delivery room than the other two and I was savy enough to realize things could really go south.

    In that situation I did what anyone would do-I prayed. Very different than when the twins were delivered and I calmly excused myself to a latrine to call PAC only to learn Kyle had picked the U. Things turned out fine. My wife was sore for a while and our son spent a week in the NICU, but eventually things have worked out well. I remember how touched I was when we would go to the NICU and the OB-GYN was sitting in front our son. He had thought my wife measuring so large was due to massive amounts of water-as she was a sudden onset diabetic and that is often the case. He made a decision based upon his experience and years of medical practice- but it was wrong. I doubt I would have held ill will towards him had it not turned out well as I think he did the best he could but when our son was in the NICU he was genuinely concerned. In hindsight I wish I would have invited him to participate in the baby blessing but I didn't and the OB-GYN passed within a year of our son's birth.

    I spent that whole first night reconciling why things turned out so well for me and would not have turned out well for me had I been in most places in this world. My wife was surrounded by the very best in medical experts and the very best in medical equipment. I don't know much-but I am convinced without all that expertise and state of the art equipment things likely don't turn out the way it did. I am not one who falls into a fetal position writhing in agony when some well meaning soul gives credit to God for seemingly meaningless things. But for me this experience was a bit of a dilemma. "There is a law irrevocably decreed upon which all blessings are predicated." I am one hell of a blessed or lucky individual. I am not sure why I have gotten the good luck/karma/blessings that I have. I know myself so I know the whole "blessing predication" ratio is seriously tipped to my favor. While I think God is just- I think He is also wonderfully benevolent and merciful-or at least I see where He has been to me. We just don't get to see it all now. That night I think I learned to accept that a bit more. I learned a similar lesson as Rudy's religious leader. I am convinced there is a God. I am convinced I have witnessed and felt manifestations of His love. I don't know why or how He chooses to manifest Himself. I believe lives are blessed when folks have faith in Him-but I recognize that for whatever reasons things seem to always turn out well for me so it might be harder for others to come to the same conclusion even though I am convinced faith is as much a temporal benefit as it is a spiritual/eternal one (mostly cuz I ain't died yet so my experience is pretty much exclusive to the moral realm). My conclusion is God loves us all but I have given up on trying to predict or understand when and how He does what He does. I give thanks when it works out my way-which admittedly seems to be the case almost exclusively, and when it doesn't seem to work out I work hard to maintain faith and in that I genuinely find comfort. I do believe the comfort is available to all.

    But I admit at times I am tempted to tape the buns together of the fall on the floor in the fetal position agony writhers just because Sister Eliza Jesperson starts crying as she testiifies that she got a date to Homecoming after praying for one when God could have been out feeding dying babies or something.
    Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
    -General George S. Patton

    I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
    -DOCTOR Wuap

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    • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
      There is a law irrevocably decreed in heaven yada yada....It works well with NWC's comments about the old LDS view on the pre-existence. I recall the wrestle I had reconciling what just happened after I witnessed my wife give birth to our youngest son-now 17. He was 12 lbs 7 oz at birth. That is large. It looked like a wet St Bernard coming through a doggie door. I can recall the anxiety/horror I was feeling when she was giving birth to him. Nobody knew he would be that big until after he crowned. It was too late then to have him untimely ripped. Folks came out of the woodwork and it being our 3rd delivery, one of which was twins, there were many more people in that delivery room than the other two and I was savy enough to realize things could really go south.

      In that situation I did what anyone would do-I prayed. Very different than when the twins were delivered and I calmly excused myself to a latrine to call PAC only to learn Kyle had picked the U. Things turned out fine. My wife was sore for a while and our son spent a week in the NICU, but eventually things have worked out well. I remember how touched I was when we would go to the NICU and the OB-GYN was sitting in front our son. He had thought my wife measuring so large was due to massive amounts of water-as she was a sudden onset diabetic and that is often the case. He made a decision based upon his experience and years of medical practice- but it was wrong. I doubt I would have held ill will towards him had it not turned out well as I think he did the best he could but when our son was in the NICU he was genuinely concerned. In hindsight I wish I would have invited him to participate in the baby blessing but I didn't and the OB-GYN passed within a year of our son's birth.

      I spent that whole first night reconciling why things turned out so well for me and would not have turned out well for me had I been in most places in this world. My wife was surrounded by the very best in medical experts and the very best in medical equipment. I don't know much-but I am convinced without all that expertise and state of the art equipment things likely don't turn out the way it did. I am not one who falls into a fetal position writhing in agony when some well meaning soul gives credit to God for seemingly meaningless things. But for me this experience was a bit of a dilemma. "There is a law irrevocably decreed upon which all blessings are predicated." I am one hell of a blessed or lucky individual. I am not sure why I have gotten the good luck/karma/blessings that I have. I know myself so I know the whole "blessing predication" ratio is seriously tipped to my favor. While I think God is just- I think He is also wonderfully benevolent and merciful-or at least I see where He has been to me. We just don't get to see it all now. That night I think I learned to accept that a bit more. I learned a similar lesson as Rudy's religious leader. I am convinced there is a God. I am convinced I have witnessed and felt manifestations of His love. I don't know why or how He chooses to manifest Himself. I believe lives are blessed when folks have faith in Him-but I recognize that for whatever reasons things seem to always turn out well for me so it might be harder for others to come to the same conclusion even though I am convinced faith is as much a temporal benefit as it is a spiritual/eternal one (mostly cuz I ain't died yet so my experience is pretty much exclusive to the moral realm). My conclusion is God loves us all but I have given up on trying to predict or understand when and how He does what He does. I give thanks when it works out my way-which admittedly seems to be the case almost exclusively, and when it doesn't seem to work out I work hard to maintain faith and in that I genuinely find comfort. I do believe the comfort is available to all.

      But I admit at times I am tempted to tape the buns together of the fall on the floor in the fetal position agony writhers just because Sister Eliza Jesperson starts crying as she testiifies that she got a date to Homecoming after praying for one when God could have been out feeding dying babies or something.
      Beautiful story. Thanks for sharing. Love your posts on all topics.

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      • Great post. Thank you, brother.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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        • There’s a simple explanation as to why no one can figure out why God does what he does.

          But if it’s cathartic to think he sits upon Mt. Olympus and dispenses grace at random for his own unknown purposes, then that may be a good enough reason, I suppose.
          Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

          "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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          • Thanks for your post, GN. Also thanks for recognizing that after 13 years of organizational religious brain atrophy, I still got me some scripture language chops.

            I'm certainly vibing with your thoughts. In reaching the rarefied air of everything that a MD affords, I know I am the walking embodiment of privilege/luck. While living below the poverty line for basically my entire teenage existence, with the church's help and others my mom was able to dedicate time and energy to keeping my nose mostly clean. Despite me being a very average pre-med student I got accepted into a good school that accepted only 20 US citizens a year, no doubt facilitated by the good works of a Y grad being accepted there 2 years prior. Its tuition being about half the average of a US school was just another plus. Despite me being a very average med student (well, average for that school. Let me toot my horn a bit!), I got accepted into a good residency program, facilitated by the coattails of a med school colleague who went there a few years before. And I continued to ride his coattails to Bend and join his practice, aided by a good word from my mentors in residency. And by luck or by providence, it was a practice that for 18 years strove to be ethical and good in all their doings, which I tried to emulate to all those who joined after me. Despite all the good we strove to do, I made welder-level money, which allowed me to leave the practice by my own free will and choice to ease into retirement, in one of the most beautiful places in God's green earth. Which by the way, has been facilitated by me being in the same student ward as Mrs. NWC, whose Canadianness made a lot of my career trajectory easier. But more importantly, most everything good in my life has come from my association of the sheer force of pure goodness that emanates from her everyday.

            There was a time 18 years ago when I ascribed all of that last paragraph to God's blessings. I was so grateful how everything went down that when I was newly called as exec secretary I told the bishopric I was in arrears with God, and now it was time for repayment. It only took a few years for me to become delinquent in loan payments, but I have never lost my sense of gratitude. I have been unbelievably fortunate in my life, and if it all came crashing down tomorrow, I couldn't curse God and die.

            Anyways, I can't judge if my agnostic view of luck/providence is any more valid than anyone's believing view. Could an omniscient God be behind it all, making both the sun shine and the storms billow on both the just and unjust? And in that final day, reward the billions of people who eeked out barely an existence with blessings much more deserving than I've had? It's possible. And if it's true I sure hope that he'll allow my swift transfer of gratitude credits to His account.
            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
            - SeattleUte

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            • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
              I am one hell of a blessed or lucky individual. I am not sure why I have gotten the good luck/karma/blessings that I have. I know myself so I know the whole "blessing predication" ratio is seriously tipped to my favor. While I think God is just- I think He is also wonderfully benevolent and merciful-or at least I see where He has been to me. We just don't get to see it all now. That night I think I learned to accept that a bit more. I learned a similar lesson as Rudy's religious leader. I am convinced there is a God. I am convinced I have witnessed and felt manifestations of His love. I don't know why or how He chooses to manifest Himself. I believe lives are blessed when folks have faith in Him-but I recognize that for whatever reasons things seem to always turn out well for me so it might be harder for others to come to the same conclusion even though I am convinced faith is as much a temporal benefit as it is a spiritual/eternal one (mostly cuz I ain't died yet so my experience is pretty much exclusive to the moral realm). My conclusion is God loves us all but I have given up on trying to predict or understand when and how He does what He does. I give thanks when it works out my way-which admittedly seems to be the case almost exclusively, and when it doesn't seem to work out I work hard to maintain faith and in that I genuinely find comfort. I do believe the comfort is available to all.
              This is a fantastic message, to me. I have to speak at Church in two weeks...do you mind if I lift some of this?

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              • Originally posted by The_Tick View Post

                This is a fantastic message, to me. I have to speak at Church in two weeks...do you mind if I lift some of this?
                It is a good message, but I am having a hard time finding much faith and therefore comfort right now.
                “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance.” Aroldis Chapman

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                • This is interesting.

                  Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                  For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                  Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                  • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                    This is interesting.

                    Should have posted it to BlueSky. Nothing but folks rooting to kick out any potential Elder Uchtdorfs on Shitter.

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                    • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                      This is interesting.

                      But they still have to come to church??!! Should have followed the Catholic Church's lead.
                      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                      Dig your own grave, and save!

                      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                      "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • Originally posted by The_Tick View Post

                        This is a fantastic message, to me. I have to speak at Church in two weeks...do you mind if I lift some of this?
                        Shucks-you know how to make a fellow feel downright special! Let this be an open invitation to one and all to quote my, ahem, "intellectual" property whenever and however you may! Sorry about the late reply but for reasons I don't understand I am unable to log in to this site anywhere but my work laptop-which rarely leaves my work desk.
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • Thought this was interesting.

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                          • Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
                            Thought this was interesting.

                            Some of those make sense to me. A few would really surprise me if true.
                            Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                            "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                            • Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post

                              Some of those make sense to me. A few would really surprise me if true.
                              I thought the Sermon on the Mount one was funny. Maybe we should start asking if Protestants are really Christians.
                              τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                              • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                                There is a law irrevocably decreed in heaven yada yada....It works well with NWC's comments about the old LDS view on the pre-existence. I recall the wrestle I had reconciling what just happened after I witnessed my wife give birth to our youngest son-now 17. He was 12 lbs 7 oz at birth. That is large. It looked like a wet St Bernard coming through a doggie door. I can recall the anxiety/horror I was feeling when she was giving birth to him. Nobody knew he would be that big until after he crowned. It was too late then to have him untimely ripped. Folks came out of the woodwork and it being our 3rd delivery, one of which was twins, there were many more people in that delivery room than the other two and I was savy enough to realize things could really go south.

                                In that situation I did what anyone would do-I prayed. Very different than when the twins were delivered and I calmly excused myself to a latrine to call PAC only to learn Kyle had picked the U. Things turned out fine. My wife was sore for a while and our son spent a week in the NICU, but eventually things have worked out well. I remember how touched I was when we would go to the NICU and the OB-GYN was sitting in front our son. He had thought my wife measuring so large was due to massive amounts of water-as she was a sudden onset diabetic and that is often the case. He made a decision based upon his experience and years of medical practice- but it was wrong. I doubt I would have held ill will towards him had it not turned out well as I think he did the best he could but when our son was in the NICU he was genuinely concerned. In hindsight I wish I would have invited him to participate in the baby blessing but I didn't and the OB-GYN passed within a year of our son's birth.

                                I spent that whole first night reconciling why things turned out so well for me and would not have turned out well for me had I been in most places in this world. My wife was surrounded by the very best in medical experts and the very best in medical equipment. I don't know much-but I am convinced without all that expertise and state of the art equipment things likely don't turn out the way it did. I am not one who falls into a fetal position writhing in agony when some well meaning soul gives credit to God for seemingly meaningless things. But for me this experience was a bit of a dilemma. "There is a law irrevocably decreed upon which all blessings are predicated." I am one hell of a blessed or lucky individual. I am not sure why I have gotten the good luck/karma/blessings that I have. I know myself so I know the whole "blessing predication" ratio is seriously tipped to my favor. While I think God is just- I think He is also wonderfully benevolent and merciful-or at least I see where He has been to me. We just don't get to see it all now. That night I think I learned to accept that a bit more. I learned a similar lesson as Rudy's religious leader. I am convinced there is a God. I am convinced I have witnessed and felt manifestations of His love. I don't know why or how He chooses to manifest Himself. I believe lives are blessed when folks have faith in Him-but I recognize that for whatever reasons things seem to always turn out well for me so it might be harder for others to come to the same conclusion even though I am convinced faith is as much a temporal benefit as it is a spiritual/eternal one (mostly cuz I ain't died yet so my experience is pretty much exclusive to the moral realm). My conclusion is God loves us all but I have given up on trying to predict or understand when and how He does what He does. I give thanks when it works out my way-which admittedly seems to be the case almost exclusively, and when it doesn't seem to work out I work hard to maintain faith and in that I genuinely find comfort. I do believe the comfort is available to all.

                                But I admit at times I am tempted to tape the buns together of the fall on the floor in the fetal position agony writhers just because Sister Eliza Jesperson starts crying as she testiifies that she got a date to Homecoming after praying for one when God could have been out feeding dying babies or something.
                                I like that

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