Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[Donuthole]

Yes, this was the question I had. Where did the agent get his information? Was it from the bishop directly?

It sounds like the bishop was interviewed as part of the criminal investigation. And if the agent's testimony is accurate, there is no excuse not to report to the authorities. Zero. But this wouldn't be the first time an agent/detective/witness exaggerated things to get the result the DA wants. I'm not saying that happened. But i'm also not saying it didn't happen.

Also, no Bishops with the last name Herrod, ok? Can we agree on that?

[Bo Diddley]

Also, no Bishops with the last name Herrod, ok? Can we agree on that?

So stipulated, counselor.

[Eddie]

So stipulated, counselor.

Can we also agree to no bishops ever with my last name too?

[Moliere]

Giving well-meaning bishops the benefit of the doubt, I want to be careful here. I agree that sinners tend to minimize their sins when confessing. I'm sure there was a component of that with Adam's initial encounter with the bishop. However, to repeat, his first confession was in 2011, the bishop brought in the wife multiple times in counselling sessions in an effort to get him to stop and to encourage him to report to authorities, and then he was exed in 2013. What plausible scenario is there of him not confessing to something serious initially, but which is serious enough to lead to excommunication 2 years later?

Not sure if I want to be known as the exmo who links to mormonleaks, but I saw this on twitter today, the leaked court transcript. Read page 43 of the transcript. If that is true of the initial encounter, it was still pretty bad:

https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/document...SENTENCING.pdf

Linking to actual evidence is a reasonable thing to do so don’t feel bad about it

That testimony is hearsay, but it’s also pretty damning and I have no reason to not believe it other than the hearsay aspect. If that story is true, and even if it’s exaggerated and the truth is in the middle, then the bishop is in the wrong to not have reported the abuse. The church also would be in the wrong, although we don’t yet know what the church was told by the bishop.

All around it’s a disgusting look for the church.

I also find it interesting that no one else (friends, family, etc) either knew about the abuse or just decided not to report it. The mom was probably scared to death but there had to be someone else that knew about the abuse.

[Bo Diddley]

Can we also agree to no bishops ever with my last name too?

[Bo Diddley]

Linking to actual evidence is a reasonable thing to do so don’t feel bad about it

That testimony is hearsay, but it’s also pretty damning and I have no reason to not believe it other than the hearsay aspect. If that story is true, and even if it’s exaggerated and the truth is in the middle, then the bishop is in the wrong to not have reported the abuse. The church also would be in the wrong, although we don’t yet know what the church was told by the bishop.

All around it’s a disgusting look for the church.

I also find it interesting that no one else (friends, family, etc) either knew about the abuse or just decided not to report it. The mom was probably scared to death but there had to be someone else that knew about the abuse.

Legally, I think he's within the law, but morally, he should have. But it's hard to hold a volunteer's feet to the fire like that. I'm sure he was doing his best, and if he knew the right thing was to report him, he would have. He should have known to report, but what if he didn't?

[old_gregg]

you know why the church uses kirton for this? because kirton gives the church a further 30% haircut on its bargain basement rates. you know who the church uses when the issue is something they actually care about like shortening the statute of limitations for sexual assault liability in utah or preventing the gays from getting married? latham. the helpline is staffed by young associates who are friendly parties—drinking coffee in the kirton office can get you kicked off the helpline. helpline internal meetings have started with prayers in the past. the only way the advice is legally defensible from a black letter perspective is if they thought it was reasonable and necessary within the concepts of the church to not report. any word wrangling to fit what happened into that box isn't just wrong, it’s evil. the church’s handwashing (both when their self preservationist risk management policies putting all their eggs in the spirit of discernment basket failed to prevent reporting of little girls being raped and abused on camera by their dad and when they release this pearl clutching, water muddying statement that’s probably written by some 55 year old cougarboard poster in a short sleeve white shirt and that tries to frame the church as the real victim of the press and journalism). disgusting, shameful and indefensible.

[YOhio]

That sick bastard was Border Patrol. What he did was reprehensible but it makes it even worse that he was law enforcement. Combine that evil with a badge and it seems a guarantee there are other victims out there.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Can we also agree to no bishops ever with my last name too?

No. If you aren't going to join us heathens, you have to take that risk upon you. Sorry but that is how it is.

[Non Sequitur]

you know why the church uses kirton for this? because kirton gives the church a further 30% haircut on its bargain basement rates. you know who the church uses when the issue is something they actually care about like shortening the statute of limitations for sexual assault liability in utah or preventing the gays from getting married? latham. the helpline is staffed by young associates who are friendly parties—drinking coffee in the kirton office can get you kicked off the helpline. helpline internal meetings have started with prayers in the past. the only way the advice is legally defensible from a black letter perspective is if they thought it was reasonable and necessary within the concepts of the church to not report. any word wrangling to fit what happened into that box isn't just wrong, it’s evil. the church’s handwashing (both when their self preservationist risk management policies putting all their eggs in the spirit of discernment basket failed to prevent reporting of little girls being raped and abused on camera by their dad and when they release this pearl clutching, water muddying statement that’s probably written by some 55 year old cougarboard poster in a short sleeve white shirt and that tries to frame the church as the real victim of the press and journalism). disgusting, shameful and indefensible.

[MartyFunkhouser]

you know why the church uses kirton for this? because kirton gives the church a further 30% haircut on its bargain basement rates. you know who the church uses when the issue is something they actually care about like shortening the statute of limitations for sexual assault liability in utah or preventing the gays from getting married? latham. the helpline is staffed by young associates who are friendly parties—drinking coffee in the kirton office can get you kicked off the helpline. helpline internal meetings have started with prayers in the past. the only way the advice is legally defensible from a black letter perspective is if they thought it was reasonable and necessary within the concepts of the church to not report. any word wrangling to fit what happened into that box isn't just wrong, it’s evil. the church’s handwashing (both when their self preservationist risk management policies putting all their eggs in the spirit of discernment basket failed to prevent reporting of little girls being raped and abused on camera by their dad and when they release this pearl clutching, water muddying statement that’s probably written by some 55 year old cougarboard poster in a short sleeve white shirt and that tries to frame the church as the real victim of the press and journalism). disgusting, shameful and indefensible.

I re-read the AP Article. I read the recent LDS church response. You know what stands out to me? How they had to emphasize that he wasn't an active member of the LDS church like it is relevant to anything in this matter.

[All-American]

I re-read the AP Article. I read the recent LDS church response. You know what stands out to me? How they had to emphasize that he wasn't an active member of the LDS church like it is relevant to anything in this matter.

Funny that stood out to you. I didn't notice it when I read it the first time.

EDIT: or the second time. The word "active" isn't even in the response. What am I missing?

[jay santos]

Q. Did she explain why Paul Adams was excommunicated? A. she told us it was because he was having a sexual relationship with his mother, and that was not to Mormon church standards.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Funny that stood out to you. I didn't notice it when I read it the first time.

EDIT: or the second time. The word "active" isn't even in the response. What am I missing?

They didn't use the word a active, they stated "Prior to and after his limited confession, Paul rarely attended Church or talked to leaders."

[All-American]

They didn't use the word a active, they stated "Prior to and after his limited confession, Paul rarely attended Church or talked to leaders."

Ah. I didn’t see that the way you saw it. I guess I just thought it pretty obvious why the fact that he rarely interacted with church leadership was relevant.