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[falafel]

Drunk perpetrators, you dummy.

If you are going to pretend that alcohol is not a huge factor, then you aren't really serious about this.

Problem is, funk is drunk all the time. He's got a problem thinking clearly.

[falafel]

It is in the context of consent we teach about alcohol.

Drunk women can't consent to sexual contact.

Also, being drunk doesn't turn you into a rapist. You are a rapist before you get drunk. Drinking doesn't fundamentally change who you are and it doesn't compel you to do things you ordinary wouldn't.

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You can't be serious with this comment.

[MartyFunkhouser]

You can't be serious with this comment.

Have you ever been intoxicated?

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[PaloAltoCougar]

We need to teach don't rape and what consent actually means. The problem isn't solved by teaching women not to drink. By the way, that is one of the big rape culture problems, blaming the victims for alcohol consumption. It is right up there for blaming a woman for what she is wearing. ...

I get that blame for the rape of a woman who happens to be provocatively dressed and is drunk should be placed solely on the perpetrator. But (and I'll concede perhaps it's my advanced years showing) I don't understand why advising a young woman not to dress like a slut or get plastered at frat parties is assumed to be blaming the victim. Are we forbidden from recommending certain behaviors that we believe will reduce the risk of becoming a victim of crimes committed by others?

[falafel]

Have you ever been intoxicated?

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Irrelevant.

[creekster]

It is in the context of consent we teach about alcohol.

Drunk women can't consent to sexual contact.

Also, being drunk doesn't turn you into a rapist. You are a rapist before you get drunk. Drinking doesn't fundamentally change who you are and it doesn't compel you to do things you ordinary wouldn't.

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Funk, funk, funk. Why do you do this to yourself?

[MartyFunkhouser]

Irrelevant.

No it isn't. Yes it can lower inhibitions and affect reasoning, but it does not make you a fundamentally different person. If you are an asshole who will rape someone, it isn't because you are drunk it is because you are fundamentally an asshole who will rape someone.

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[falafel]

No it isn't. Yes it can lower inhibitions and affect reasoning, but it does not make you a fundamentally different person. If you are an asshole who will rape someone, it isn't because you are drunk it is because you are fundamentally an asshole who will rape someone.

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Rapists going to rape, no matter what? So I guess you would have to agree that if alcohol did not exist on the earth (poor funk), the number of rapes in the world would remain unchanged?

[Armenag]

you don't have to think hard about reasons why BYU might have higher problems with reporting and rapes. It isn't so easy as to say, BYU has fewer rape reports, so, therefore, there are fewer rapes on campus.

Anyone who thinks BYU doesn't have reduced rates of actual rape has a problematic agenda. When you reduce the biggest risk factors, you reduce the incidents. It's common sense.

As for the howling against discussion of risk factors, is there any other undesirable outcome that people treat this way? It's our right to be able to drive without being hurt in accidents caused by bad drivers, but we don't rage against people who nonetheless encourage the use of seat belts and airbags. Of course you should be able to get black out drunk all you want without worrying about rape, but we sadly do not yet live in that world and only permitting discussion of rape culture, as opposed to risk factors, seems a counter-productively slow way of getting there.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Rapists going to rape, no matter what? So I guess you would have to agree that if alcohol did not exist on the earth (poor funk), the number of rapes in the world would remain unchanged?

It may go down, because it is a tool that predators use, not because consumption turns a good person into a rapist like is being argued here.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

Also, being drunk doesn't turn you into a rapist. You are a rapist before you get drunk. Drinking doesn't fundamentally change who you are and it doesn't compel you to do things you ordinary wouldn't.

People who drink to excess exercise poor judgment, funk. Their ability to properly assess consent is impacted. This isn't rocket science.

[MartyFunkhouser]

People who drink to excess exercise poor judgment, funk. Their ability to properly assess consent is impacted. This isn't rocket science.

If we actually taught what consent requires, even an intoxicated person could assess consent. Problem is we don't teach it.

Every college should have a freshman orientation on consent. It will be a cold day in hell before byu would do that, it would go away from their don't have sex mantra.

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[creekster]

No it isn't. Yes it can lower inhibitions and affect reasoning, but it does not make you a fundamentally different person. If you are an asshole who will rape someone, it isn't because you are drunk it is because you are fundamentally an asshole who will rape someone.

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Yes, it is irrelevant. Look, it doesnt matter a whit if the reason rapes are perpetrated more frequently is becasue ALcohol turns you into a demon or if it is becasue you no longer inhibit the demon that you already are. It doesn't matter! And here's another point, bucko: Girls getting drunk may not be able to consent, but the fact is their judgment is impaired. So they think "he seems like such a nice guy!" or "what could go wrong?" when drunk when they wouldn't think that when sober. And if you dont think alcohol impairs your judgment, you have only to feast on the SU drunk posting work to prove otherwise.

[creekster]

If we actually taught what consent requires, even an intoxicated person could assess consent. Problem is we don't teach it.

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Dude! Your thinking here is so contradictory! Do you realize you just lectured us all that the rapists gonna rape no matter what, unless we teach them what consent really means then they won't?

[Jeff Lebowski]

If we actually taught what consent requires, even an intoxicated person could assess consent. Problem is we don't teach it.

That's funny.

Hey, alcohol isn't the problem with drunk driving. We just need to teach people to be better drivers!