Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[RC Vikings]

http://www.examiner.com/article/libe...tiger-skin-rug

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[Bo Diddley]

What, that I'm not surprised when a guy like that makes a racist comment? It's based on experience. It is indeed disturbing so many of them I've run into think that way, but it is what it is. I'd say if you are surprised by it, you are either naive or you've had a very different experience with guys in that demographic than I have.

I shouldn't have made the 90% comment - that was unfair - but my overall point stands.

The same source of much racial bias that exists today. The real trick is to overcome your personal bias, which is based upon experience. Until then, racism will continue.

[Uncle Ted]

Because I have a bunch of old white guy ranchers, farmers, and coal miner relatives. Most of them weren't racist but the talk a lot like Bundy. Even my father, who was as corporate as it gets, occasionally used the terms negro and colored. That's the way people of his era spoke. Yes it would make me cringe but my father was not a racist.

Is your father Harry Reid? Yes, apparently, that is how old white guys from Nevada talk...

Reid also has a bad habit of racial bigotry. He once praised fellow Sen. Barack Obama because he was, in Reid's words, a "light-skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...te-senator.htm

[Shaka]

Is your father Harry Reid? Yes, apparently, that is how old white guys from Nevada talk...


http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...te-senator.htm

Dear old Dad, if he were alive, would be eighty three so he's a bit older than Harry.

[Northwestcoug]

Because I have a bunch of old white guy ranchers, farmers, and coal miner relatives. Most of them weren't racist but the talk a lot like Bundy. Even my father, who was as corporate as it gets, occasionally used the terms negro and colored. That's the way people of his era spoke. Yes it would make me cringe but my father was not a racist.

I posted this to add to the discussion. I rolled my eyes as much as anyone when I first read the NYT article. However, I found feelings were tempered a bit when I read the entire quote.

The terms 'negro' and 'colored' I understand, coming from that generation. But have you heard older people suggest that slavery is better than welfare for African Americans? I sure haven't, even from my parents/grandparents' generation who would freely use negro and colored in their everyday language.

[imanihonjin]

What, that I'm not surprised when a guy like that makes a racist comment? It's based on experience. It is indeed disturbing so many of them I've run into think that way, but it is what it is. I'd say if you are surprised by it, you are either naive or you've had a very different experience with guys in that demographic than I have.

I shouldn't have made the 90% comment - that was unfair - but my overall point stands.

Many apply the same logic you are using to describe their feelings towards any subset of our society with which they take issue. The only difference is, you have chosen old white folks to stereotype so you aren't in any real danger of being labelled a bigot.

[smokymountainrain]

Many apply the same logic you are using to describe their feelings towards any subset of our society with which they take issue. The only difference is, you have chosen old white folks to stereotype so you aren't in any real danger of being labelled a bigot.

Serious question. If you were hanging in a small town in Utah and you heard an old guy make a racist comment would it shock you?

[imanihonjin]

Serious question. If you were hanging in a small town in Utah and you heard an old guy make a racist comment would it shock you?

I am not going to give you a similar example of any subset of our society, but I could do the same type of reasoning you have done to nearly any subset of our society and make the same absurd "logical" conclusion to justify my viewpoint that you have just done.

[Uncle Ted]

The terms 'negro' and 'colored' I understand, coming from that generation. But have you heard older people suggest that slavery is better than welfare for African Americans? I sure haven't, even from my parents/grandparents' generation who would freely use negro and colored in their everyday language.

Maybe after they take Bundy into custody they can sentence him to hard labor to see if it is better than the "food stamps" his cattle is getting.

[smokymountainrain]

I am not going to give you a similar example of any subset of our society, but I could do the same type of reasoning you have done to nearly any subset of our society and make the same absurd "logical" conclusion to justify my viewpoint that you have just done.

I'll take your dodge as a no. Sounds like you agree with my viewpoint.

[imanihonjin]

I'll take your dodge as a no. Sounds like you agree with my viewpoint.

Your assumptions don't change the fact that you are using the same type of rational to justify a stereotype about old white dudes that people use to justify their stereotypes about blacks, hispanics, asians, poor people, mormons, etc

[Solon]

Jabbawocky is racist. You said it not me. But Jabberwocky is not.

Jabberwocky may not be racist, but those mome raths are sexist assholes.
Nor do I have much respect for borogoves.

[creekster]

Jabberwocky may not be racist, but those mome raths are sexist assholes.
Nor do I have much respect for borogoves.

Off with his head!

[Omaha 680]

Jabberwocky may not be racist, but those mome raths are sexist assholes.
Nor do I have much respect for borogoves.

You said it, man. Those mome raths out grabe!

[cowboy]

A lot of these folks are unemployed. Trust me on this one.

But this raises an excellent question. Suppose you were in charge of deciding how to respond to this. What would you do? What would be your next move? The last thing you want is another Waco, but there has to be a response. Tough call.

Yeah, assuming Bundy's supporters are ranchers/cowboys is like assuming everyone who wears a cowboy hat can ride a horse. I'd bet that not one of the Bundy compound outside the family actually owns cows or could even trail a thirsty cow to water. These people are wannabe mercenaries. SU's characterization reinforces my fear, though, that every rancher with a grievance will henceforth be lumped together as a Bundyite .

To your question, I believe that the best way to solve the problem is to place a lien on the cattle and work with the state to not let cattle leave the property without a transfer of ownership to the BLM. Legally, cattle cannot change counties in the West without a brand inspection, and they cannot be sold without a brand inspection transferring title. Further, anything with Bundy's brand would have a lien, no matter where it came from or was sold, that would require sale proceeds to go to the lienholder. Banks do it all the time, and it's pretty effective. This is the nice thing about western states that have strictly enforced brand laws.

Most probably know this but Navy Seals, Rangers, Recon Marines, etc. won't be deployed on US soil for domestic law enforcement - it is forbidden by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Any real military action would fall to the ATF, FBI, US Marshalls and (BLM?).

I figured someone would bust me on this. My point was that these guys are jokers when compared to any real tactical unit. They're out-manned, outgunned, and outclassed.