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  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    A thoughtful essay on the Clive Bundy mess, including a reference to Bundy's trampling of the US constitution:

    http://dadsbookreviews.blogspot.com/....html?spref=fb

    Point and Counterpoint...



    CARSON: When government looks more like foe than friend

    The Bundy case in Nevada provides many insights into the state of our nation with respect to the relationship between the people and the government.


    The Bundys appear to be honorable American citizens without adequate legal counsel to help resolve a federal land issue about which they disagree with the Bureau of Land Management. Without question, they violated some of the innumerable laws and regulations that continue to entangle every aspect of American life.

    Their violations could certainly have been handled through a multitude of less brutal means than those employed by our federal government, which through the mouthpiece of Sen. Harry Reid emphasizes how important it is for the government to enforce its laws.

    It is quite interesting to see, though, that the same bureaucrats refuse to enforce some of our federal border-protection laws and other domestic policies with which they disagree. Perhaps Mr. Reid’s time could be better spent explaining why it is acceptable for the federal government to pick and choose which laws it wishes to enforce.


    The senator readily referred to the Bundys and their supporters as “domestic terrorists,” but the current administration is reticent about applying the same term to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who admitted slaughtering more than a dozen people in 2009 at Fort Hood in Texas. What does this tell us about our government and its perceptions and alignments?


    The massive show of federal force in the Bundy case is frightening because it gives us a brief glimpse of the totalitarian regime that awaits a sleeping populace that does not take seriously its voting responsibilities, and places in public office (and returns them to office) who do not represent traditional American values.

    The fact that the ranchers were well armed and willing to literally fight for their rights probably tempered the enthusiasm of the federal forces to engage in further aggression. It was clear from the body language and some of the reported verbal responses of the government forces that they were not prepared to engage in lethal combat with fellow Americans.


    Those Americans who are concerned about the possible future imposition of martial law after a financial collapse or some other event should take solace in knowing that many military and law enforcement personnel would likely refuse to obey commands inconsistent with freedom and American values. Such commands could emanate from any political party in the future, but it is likely that such a party would be one controlling an administration that selectively enforces laws and ignores or excuses corruption.

    Another important lesson from this incident is the value of a well-armed citizenry. The Second Amendment was crafted by wise citizens who recognized how quickly an enemy invasion could occur or how our own government could be deceived into thinking it had the right to dominate the people.


    Such domination is considerably more difficult when people have arms and can put up significant resistance. This is the reason that brutal dictators like Fidel Castro, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Adolf Hitler and Idi Amin tried to disarm the populace before imposing governmental control. Such domination could occur in America in the not-too-distant future if we are not vigilant.


    We must be reasonable and willing to engage in conversation about how to limit the availability of dangerous weapons to criminals and very violent or insane people. In light of past worldwide atrocities committed by tyrants, though, to threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban all assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment.
    […]
    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...e-foe-than-fr/

    I don't agree with everything Dr. Carson stated in this essay. For example, I believe that Senator Reid is representing the best interests of the good citizens of his great state that put him into power and has tried to help enforce all the laws equally to the best of his ability.
    Last edited by Uncle Ted; 04-23-2014, 05:50 AM.
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    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

      I wonder how long that militia is going to put up with Clive Bundy's lies before they just start shooting his cattle themselves.
      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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      • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
        An interesting interview with former Justice Stevens in USA Today includes his proposal for the following amendments to the Constitution:



        I'd expect some resistance to a few of those, including the first.
        […]
        The bow-tied Stevens, who turned 94 on Sunday, is using the publication of his second book as an opportunity to reflect not only on his literary efforts but also on today's justices, the complex cases they face, and the issues likely to reach the court in the near future, from same-sex marriage to government surveillance.
        […]
        There is something about Stevens I don't trust.
        Last edited by Uncle Ted; 04-23-2014, 06:01 AM.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post

          Thanks for the link. First of all, it illustrates the most common response from Bundy supporters:

          "I realize that Bundy doesn't have a leg to stand on from a legal viewpoint, but ...." <insert some red herring crap here>

          Second, I think the author is dead wrong about the impact on gun rights. These idiots make responsible gun owners look like a bunch a dangerous loons.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Bundyville! Sounds like ol' Cliven is still livin' there.
            I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Thanks for the link. First of all, it illustrates the most common response from Bundy supporters:

              "I realize that Bundy doesn't have a leg to stand on from a legal viewpoint, but ...." <insert some red herring crap here>
              Yeah, I was kind of pissed he used my copyrighted and patented approach to posting crap on this site.

              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Second, I think the author is dead wrong about the impact on gun rights. These idiots make responsible gun owners look like a bunch a dangerous loons.
              Yes, responsible gun owners/operators would never use guns shoot someone else's cattle.
              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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              • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                Yeah, I was kind of pissed he used my copyrighted and patented approach to posting crap on this site.

                Yes, responsible gun owners/operators would never use guns shoot someone else's cattle.
                Someone else's? Via court order, Bundy lost his right to those cattle by illegally mooching off the government for 20 years.

                Responsible gun owners don't show up with weapons and threaten to shoot government officials who are doing the job they were sworn to do.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Thanks for the link. First of all, it illustrates the most common response from Bundy supporters:

                  "I realize that Bundy doesn't have a leg to stand on from a legal viewpoint, but ...." <insert some red herring crap here>
                  The more I hear about this thing the more I wish it was someone I could relate to taking the stand Bundy is.

                  That being said, I am glad to hear you are in the camp with those that think if there is a law, it should be enforced. I would have suspected you would agree with President Obama and Eric Holder that there are some laws they don't need to enforce. Specifically I am talking about immigration laws and DOMA before the Supreme Court struck it down. I am glad you disagree with them.

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                  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Someone else's? Via court order, Bundy lost his right to those cattle by illegally mooching off the government for 20 years.

                    Responsible gun owners don't show up with weapons and threaten to shoot government officials who are doing the job they were sworn to do.

                    And a piss-poor job they did...

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                    • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                      The more I hear about this thing the more I wish it was someone I could relate to taking the stand Bundy is.

                      That being said, I am glad to hear you are in the camp with those that think if there is a law, it should be enforced. I would have suspected you would agree with President Obama and Eric Holder that there are some laws they don't need to enforce. Specifically I am talking about immigration laws and DOMA before the Supreme Court struck it down. I am glad you disagree with them.
                      More red herrings.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                      • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                        And a piss-poor job they did...
                        What did they do wrong?
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          What did they do wrong?
                          You're a smart guy. I am sure you can figure out what my point was leaning towards..

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                          • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                            You're a smart guy. I am sure you can figure out what my point was leaning towards..
                            Apparently I am not that smart. Please educate me.
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                              You're a smart guy. I am sure you can figure out what my point was leaning towards..
                              why don't you just save everyone the hassle?
                              Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                              • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                                why don't you just save everyone the hassle?
                                I'm an a-hole like that.

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