Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[Moliere]

There is good reason to support that belief. On a related note, a Bishop can refer any individual to LDS family services for counselling at no cost to the individual. In the past there was a Ward and Stake budget that covered the cost. Not anymore. The church no longer expects Wards to provide an accounting. Bishops can refer as many individuals as they see fit without reservation. LDS family services is overwhelmed closing the gap in providing counselling for individuals where there is no insurance coverage and the existing social system is inundated.

As a family, we obviously have first hand experience in this area. My son is blessed to have access to immediate counselling with LDS family services. Also, we have two close friends who work part time as counsellors for LDS family services, one in our region and one in Europe. My wife is finishing her masters in psychotherapy. She has already been approached by LDS family services.

I agree this is all risk management ... of a kind. Again, on a related note the church just announced that: "BYU-Idaho and Ensign College will offer three-year bachelor’s degrees through BYU-Pathway Worldwide!" The cost: about $7200 (USD) start to finish. It is cheaper for international students.

https://www.byupathway.edu

I’m beginning to think that the church having billions of dollars is a good thing…or at least better than giving it To politicians (thru taxation) and allowing them to fund wars with it

[All-American]

Again, on a related note the church just announced that: "BYU-Idaho and Ensign College will offer three-year bachelor’s degrees through BYU-Pathway Worldwide!" The cost: about $7200 (USD) start to finish. It is cheaper for international students.

https://www.byupathway.edu

Clearly just interested in keeping tithe-payers loyal throughout their income-generating lifetimes. Jerks.

[Shaka]

There is good reason to support that belief. On a related note, a Bishop can refer any individual to LDS family services for counselling at no cost to the individual. In the past there was a Ward and Stake budget that covered the cost. Not anymore. The church no longer expects Wards to provide an accounting. Bishops can refer as many individuals as they see fit without reservation. LDS family services is overwhelmed closing the gap in providing counselling for individuals where there is no insurance coverage and the existing social system is inundated.

https://www.byupathway.edu

There are a bunch of reasons I believe it. I saw it firsthand on my mission and beyond. Examples are out there but NS's confirmation bias will not allow him to see them.

[tooblue]

You really believe that, don't you? All I can say is Merry Christmas!

There is good reason to support that belief. On a related note, a Bishop can refer any individual to LDS family services for counselling at no cost to the individual. In the past there was a Ward and Stake budget that covered the cost. Not anymore. The church no longer expects Wards to provide an accounting. Bishops can refer as many individuals as they see fit without reservation. LDS family services is overwhelmed closing the gap in providing counselling for individuals where there is no insurance coverage and the existing social system is inundated.

As a family, we obviously have first hand experience in this area. My son is blessed to have access to immediate counselling with LDS family services. Also, we have two close friends who work part time as counsellors for LDS family services, one in our region and one in Europe. My wife is finishing her masters in psychotherapy. She has already been approached by LDS family services.

I agree this is all risk management ... of a kind. Again, on a related note the church just announced that: "BYU-Idaho and Ensign College will offer three-year bachelor’s degrees through BYU-Pathway Worldwide!" The cost: about $7200 (USD) start to finish. It is cheaper for international students.

https://www.byupathway.edu

[All-American]

I don’t understand the “paycheck” argument either. The people making these decisions are getting paid by the church but I’m not sure men in their 80s and 90s, most of whom are financial stable without church suppprt, are concerned about their pay. This isn’t an argument that I think holds much water.

I for one think they should be a lot more focused on transferring their wealth to posterity.

[Moliere]

Settlements are not a form of altruism. They don't pay victims because they care about the victims. They pay victims so that the victims will go away. When a bishop molests one of his congregants, the local leaders will probably do the right thing and offer the requisite sympathy and support, but to the people back in Salt Lake who earn paychecks, those victims are now potential legal adversaries. The victims become inconvenient, and they become a nuisance.

I don’t understand the “paycheck” argument either. The people making these decisions are getting paid by the church but I’m not sure men in their 80s and 90s, most of whom are financial stable without church suppprt, are concerned about their pay. This isn’t an argument that I think holds much water.

[Northwestcoug]

kearon may have been an odds on favorite tbh. big name as ga 70s are concerned - was in the presidency of the 70.

Oh man, I hope I didn't miss a betting thread on the new apostle.

[smokymountainrain]

New apostle, who dis?

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist...welve-apostles

That British accent will no doubt be pleasing on the ears.

kearon may have been an odds on favorite tbh. big name as ga 70s are concerned - was in the presidency of the 70.

[Northwestcoug]

New apostle, who dis?

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist...welve-apostles

That British accent will no doubt be pleasing on the ears.

[All-American]

If the logic is wrong, feel free to elucidate.

There is a rule of evidence that specifically prohibits using settlement negotiations and agreements as evidence that there was substance to the allegations being settled. That rule exists for a multitude of reasons, one of which is to provide a space where those kinds of negotiations can happen. But it is also widely recognized that there are all kinds of reasons for settling that have absolutely nothing to do with the merits of the claims: avoiding costs of litigation, freeing the resources of the parties, bad press, and, yes, even sympathy to a claimant even though the defendant owes no legal liability. So, recognizing that there are all kinds of reasons that you might enter into a settlement agreement that have nothing to do with guilt-- and recognizing that a lay jury would almost certainly fail to appreciate those other reasons and would jump to the conclusion that they would not have paid unless they needed to pay-- the evidentiary rules forbid parties from using settlement negotiations and agreements for those purposes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Settlements are not a form of altruism. They don't pay victims because they care about the victims. They pay victims so that the victims will go away. When a bishop molests one of his congregants, the local leaders will probably do the right thing and offer the requisite sympathy and support, but to the people back in Salt Lake who earn paychecks, those victims are now potential legal adversaries. The victims become inconvenient, and they become a nuisance.

I can't imagine being this cynical and jaded day in and day out. It must be exhausting.

[Non Sequitur]

Sometimes the church passes out money, not because they are at the tip of the spear, but because there is a legitimate need to be part of a solution and healing.

You really believe that, don't you? All I can say is Merry Christmas!

[Shaka]

If the logic is wrong, feel free to elucidate.

Sometimes the church passes out money, not because they are at the tip of the spear, but because there is a legitimate need to be part of a solution and healing.

[Non Sequitur]

And if the Church fought tooth and nail and wound up winning all the lawsuits that they have settled, it would be cold, heartless and not very Christlike to the victims.

Settlements are not a form of altruism. They don't pay victims because they care about the victims. They pay victims so that the victims will go away. When a bishop molests one of his congregants, the local leaders will probably do the right thing and offer the requisite sympathy and support, but to the people back in Salt Lake who earn paychecks, those victims are now potential legal adversaries. The victims become inconvenient, and they become a nuisance.

[Non Sequitur]

Super convenient logic.

If the logic is wrong, feel free to elucidate.