Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[Donuthole]

Don't bail him out.

If I don't, he will down with this ship.

[swampfrog]

I guess I'm a religious fundamentalist. I'd rather not see a woman rip out her boob to feed her kids. I suspect most agree with me. Why can't she use a cover?

What is interesting about this is that this is a evolutionary issue, not a religious one. What is unique about the human female breast that is not found in any other mammal species (of the 5000 or so)? The answer to that question is found here:

This is a 30 minute segment from a 3 hour conversation, the answer to the question is in the first few minutes. The ramifications of it are germane to to this discussion and all others on human sexuality. The church could learn a lesson or two from teaching modesty from this perspective, but that would likely never happen.

The full video can be found here:

Joe Rogan, Bret Weinstein, Heather Heyring

[myboynoah]

The vast majority of women that are breastfeeding without a cover in public are doing so in a very discreet manner. It is usually pull the shirt down just enough to have the baby latch on. The child's head pretty much completely covers the breast. Usually the only way you are going to see something is if you are trying to see something.

That's what I mean by a cover.

But things change all the time. I can adapt. I'm just stating my preference.

[LVAllen]

That's what I mean by a cover.

But things change all the time. I can adapt. I'm just stating my preference.

That's not what most people mean by breastfeeding with a cover. They mean they put a blanket, or a shawl, or an apron-like item that literally covers both the baby and the breast. And some babies will absolutely refuse to feed if they are covered like that.

An example:

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[smokymountainrain]

Don't bail him out.

hls

[Commando]

I had a pretty crazy juxtaposition during my missionary time in Guatemala. I was teaching a Sunday school class- very poorly, by the way- in my first area when one of the women in the ward whipped out a titty in church and started feeding the kid, who was maybe a little old to be breast feeding but whatever. Cool- no big deal.

Then the baby pulled out the other one to feed. Well that's alright- back to the lesson.

Then the kid wandered off. The lady didn't even flinch and just left her boobs out, which I now quickly notice were fantastic looking. Now I have to completely avoid eye contact with her nipples at all costs while I'm trying to teach a spiritual lesson in a foreign language. I think that could have been lesson 1 if I was training to become a Shaolin monk or something.

[falafel]

hls

[falafel]

I had a pretty crazy juxtaposition during my missionary time in Guatemala. I was teaching a Sunday school class- very poorly, by the way- in my first area when one of the women in the ward whipped out a titty in church and started feeding the kid, who was maybe a little old to be breast feeding but whatever. Cool- no big deal.

Then the baby pulled out the other one to feed. Well that's alright- back to the lesson.

Then the kid wandered off. The lady didn't even flinch and just left her boobs out, which I now quickly notice were fantastic looking. Now I have to completely avoid eye contact with her nipples at all costs while I'm trying to teach a spiritual lesson in a foreign language. I think that could have been lesson 1 if I was training to become a Shaolin monk or something.

Never pegged you as a religious fundamentalist.

[creekster]

Duh. Clickbait. This stuff is like catnip for the social media outrage crowd.

I was unclear. I meant the TV broadcast story. This is the real tragedy of Fake News.

FTR, I dont see the big deal about breast feeding, but I don't understand why people cant work together and just act reasonably. A little effort to be discreet, and a little less outrage at seeing a breastfeeding baby might help both sides.

[Surfah]

They're just boobs. NBD. Except when they're a very big deal.

[Flystripper]

They're just boobs. NBD. Except when they're a very big deal.

[Northwestcoug]

They're just boobs. NBD. Except when they're a very big deal.

Which is always when they're attached to a nursing mother.

[swampfrog]

Whip it out. It's just a breast.

They're just boobs. NBD. Except when they're a very big deal.

Which is always when they're attached to a nursing mother.

A conversation cannot start with "just a breast", or "just boobs", etc. As pointed out in the video previously linked, of the 4000+ mammals on the planet, humans are the only one where breasts stay enlarged when not lactating. The evolutionary reason for that appears to be because they are naturally a physiological unconscious sexual signal of reproductive health. Which developed for a reason. Evolution doesn't care about manners, etiquette, morality, etc. Only what works to preserve the species. So if breasts are a sexual signal, they must be signalling a receptor in the male counterpart--that is also unconscious. The conversation has to start here. Men and women sexually signal one another all of the time, sometimes consciously, sometimes not. It's not productive to ignore that breasts are evolutionary selected sexual signals. The ramifications of this are discussed in detail in the previous videos linked.

[Surfah]

A conversation cannot start with "just a breast", or "just boobs", etc. As pointed out in the video previously linked, of the 4000+ mammals on the planet, humans are the only one where breasts stay enlarged when not lactating. The evolutionary reason for that appears to be because they are naturally a physiological unconscious sexual signal of reproductive health. Which developed for a reason. Evolution doesn't care about manners, etiquette, morality, etc. Only what works to preserve the species. So if breasts are a sexual signal, they must be signalling a receptor in the male counterpart--that is also unconscious. The conversation has to start here. Men and women sexually signal one another all of the time, sometimes consciously, sometimes not. It's not productive to ignore that breasts are evolutionary selected sexual signals. The ramifications of this are discussed in detail in the previous videos linked.

Not all boobs signal my sexual receptor. I have evolved to ignore certain sexual signals. I'm sure I could present some evidence here that would prove this true for any caveman.

[LVAllen]

A conversation cannot start with "just a breast", or "just boobs", etc. As pointed out in the video previously linked, of the 4000+ mammals on the planet, humans are the only one where breasts stay enlarged when not lactating. The evolutionary reason for that appears to be because they are naturally a physiological unconscious sexual signal of reproductive health. Which developed for a reason. Evolution doesn't care about manners, etiquette, morality, etc. Only what works to preserve the species. So if breasts are a sexual signal, they must be signalling a receptor in the male counterpart--that is also unconscious. The conversation has to start here. Men and women sexually signal one another all of the time, sometimes consciously, sometimes not. It's not productive to ignore that breasts are evolutionary selected sexual signals. The ramifications of this are discussed in detail in the previous videos linked.

Actually, I would argue that the conversation has to start with why folks in the US have such hang-ups on breastfeeding, when it doesn't even register with folks from other countries. Why do we fear that men and young men will be reduced to slavering, drooling, mindless piles of lust at the sight of a nursing mother? Because that's not a normal response.

I am reminded of the parable of the two monks who were walking and encountered an attractive young woman by the side of a river. She asked them to carry her across. Since they were forbidden to touch females, one monk declined. The other picked her up, carried her across, and put her down. The monks continued walking. After several miles, the monk who declined turned to his brother and said, "You know we are not permitted to touch women, yet you carried that woman. How could you do that?" The reply: "I set her down by the riverbank. Why are you still carrying her?"

It's just a friggin' breast. Maybe the solution is to encourage coverless feeding in churches so that it becomes background noise and change the focus from "keep your thought pure at all times or sing a hymn" to "You will have impure thoughts. You will see sexual things. Acknowledge it, and then move on."